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Sharing A Body With An Unwanted Spirit, Need A Compromise

By Sanguine
(1 stories) (7 posts) (the author is a young adult)
Date: 2012-10-17
Country: Australia
Category: Misc

I have read a few things on this website and a majority of the replies and such seem genuine and helpful from what I can tell, so I may as well put forth this story and see if anything comes of it.

This is difficult for me to put into perspective because I've never had to explain it and its so far outside of so many peoples experience that it actually makes me cringe to be honest about it. I have experienced so many horrible repercussions for being honest that I have half a mind not to bother with this, but I'm actually writing this on someone else's behalf in the hope that someone has some advice or can connect to the experience, so its not really about what I want or am comfortable with at all.

I'll skip introductions and give you a bit of back story and then get to the situation at hand.

When I was a young spirit I was summoned via witchcraft/magical ritual and 'bound' to a human bloodline against my will. This was effectively a curse that forces me to inhabit bodies against my will, most of the time the bodies (or vessels) were made vacant for my arrival, but recently during this 'lifetime' I suppose you could call it, a mistake was made and it has caused a lot of suffering on someone else's behalf.

The victim in all this is called Celeste and she is the rightful owner of this body. I have no right to inhabit this skin and I know it. I'm unwelcome here in general and I would happily just up and leave if I could, but I'm unable to because of the unusual circumstances.

To Celeste I am a demon, something terrifying that apparently tries to dominate her and control her and forces her to remain unconscious. She believes that I have her hostage and that I am actively haunting and possessing her. She hates me with a passion and has tried to get rid of me multiple times.

Her and family have taken me to exorcisms (which were extremely unpleasant) and psychic's/mediums who counseled me and urged me to 'move into the light' and some even told me to stop tormenting Celeste. I showed myself at first to them, but it didn't take long before I realized they would not hear my side of the story and were already set in their opinion that I was either clinging to this person of my own free will or that I was hell bent on breaking her or some nonsense like that. I also remember a shaman who came and chanted some things and hung pieces of red material around a tree in the backyard and wandered about burning some plant that gave me a lot of discomfort (sage I think.)

I have tried communicating a lot of times because I know Celeste is a medium of some kind and its not as though there is any language barrier and after so long I'm very good at operating the body so I can leave notes or just record myself, but there is so much distrust there that what I say may as well be meaningless.

I don't blame Celeste for thinking what she does, it's an easy misunderstanding to make that a spirit is malicious by nature. I've seen people do it all the time out of fear of what they do not understand or fear of what seems 'evil' or dangerous but is actually not.

I feel that I've ruined a lot of her life because she has never got a real chance to experience life to its fullest without feeling my presence somewhere nearby and fearing it. I know just my being here is holding her back. She has suffered greatly on my behalf as well and I have all the respect in the world for her. For years I have been at a loss as to how to make everything ok for her.

Over time I've taken to just mentally pushing her aside (and inside) and ignoring her. I know denying her existence was never the best tact to take and I won't make any excuses for it. It was convenient up until she decided she actually wanted to live (after giving up the will to fight as an infant,) to be conscious and take back what is actually rightfully hers.

Anyhow, long story short. It seems obvious to me that cannot inhabit this body together, especially when she is terrified and unreasonable and aggressive toward me. After numerous attempts to correct the situation I've taken to pushing her out of the body entirely so that I can live as I see fit and I'm continuing to do so either until she gives up or until I find another solution because that is all I can think to do.

I haven't lost hope that this situation can be remedied without leaving her abandoned without a body and earthbound without any guidance. I just can't think of anything and have exhausted all of my own resources with this.

So any constructive suggestions would be very welcome.

I'm also curious about whether anyone else has been in a similar situation or heard of someone who has and whether they'd like to share it.

Hopefully I won't be met with too much hostility.

Thank you for reading

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Beatrice84 (1 posts)

11 years ago (2013-06-12)

Hello, Sanguine! I hope you see this as I see the last comments on your thread have been posted 8 months ago.
Nevertheless, I am glad I found your post, as it seems to be the only one I found after many hours of searching, that's closest to my own experience...
Well, not my own, but my loved one...
My best friend (a girl) has another spirit in her, who is male and is in love with me... And I with him. We are living in a complicated triangle of her taking me as a friend only (she is not a lesbian, and nor am I, but I fell in love with the distinctively male energy co-inhabiting her body).
We have always wondered if there were people out there, who have experienced something similar, and there you are...
I truly wish to be able to get in touch somehow, and talk, exchange experience. It would be wonderful.

Sanguine (1 stories) (7 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-26)

I understand what your saying and I'm not refusing because of a 'little' discomfort nor because I don't understand the benefit of doing it and offering some form of incentive to take me seriously.

Like all the other times I've been amongst salt I would rather not have my energy displaced, would rather not get a migraine, would rather not have my already tenuous hold on this body be disrupted to the point that it dulls my senses or blots them out entirely.

I know from first hand experience that the frequency of the energy coming off of that mineral (and other substances) is something I personally naturally cannot attune with regardless of how hard I try. Trying actually causes me pain, not physical pain but its the only translation I can make.

The more dangerous aspect of it is that I would become weak and feel as though I'm 'suffocating' due to being drained of my energy while in contact with it because it both displaces my own energy and blocks my access to other energies, which I take constantly from the air or other individuals in order to function and remain energetically stable.

So, this is not about me being who I am or not and certainly not because I want to give a negative impression, I'm refusing because I personally have adverse metaphysical reactions to salt and the salt would also deplete my energy, which I need in order to function.

So, sorry to disappoint but I am not going to put myself through that pain and make myself that vulnerable on your behalf or anyone else's.

That's the last time I'm going to say it. You can be angry if you wish and decide I am a fraud, its not my concern.

Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-26)

You came here to share your possible experience. Before these experiences are discussed in any serious manner, they need to be evidenced to be legitimate. While there are other ways to go about finding your answer, the salt bath is the one that will give the most trustworthy evidence.

I understand your lack of desire to put yourself through discomfort for a test you don't believe is THAT important. If you care about your own progession, and you care about being able to fend for yourself in these things, you will do the test. You need to have evidence before you tell yourself its true. You seem very convinced of what youve said in your story.

Say I couldn't reach out and sense you, to get my own answer about the legitimacy of this. How would you go about explaining all of this to a newbie, who has no idea how to pursue the metaphysical in a healthy way? Now, take that scenario, and think about what anyone would be doing to an impressionable person, if they were wrong about their beliefs, and convinced that newbie of your version of the truth. Do you now see why I push this? I want you to have the evidence you need, not only for others, but for yourself. I do not mean any of this as a personal attack towards you. If you are going to try and share experiences, youre going to have to have evidence.

Honestly, my article was an attempt to see how well people here could actually help. I set out a storyline, basically went with the flow of the responses I got. Noone realized that there was no soulmate being messed with. The girl I referred to, had no connection of that kind to me, as she is among my best friends. Not a single one of the folks around, then, realized I was pulling their leg. There were various claims that I was a nut, and incorrect about what I said I am, but no one ever noted that my experience itself was completely fake. This site has a very dangerous history of delusions and a lack of evidence.

There are many around here who reference what they believe in, because of their "experiences," who then convince others that their "experiences" actually happened, because they don't know any better. This place is a common go to for newbies, for people who do not know how to get started, or maybe have some things to verify, or get advice on. To properly handle these things, you must urge for evidence. If none can be given, or all methods are refused, then leave the person to their own devices. Do not let them delude you.

Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)

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11 years ago (2012-10-26)

This has nothing to do with personal satisfaction, outside my own desire for the truth to be known. Stop trying to put me in a bad light because you think the test is worthless. If you know how salt effects electromagnetic frequencies, then you know you will gain the answer you seek.

I hope you are not afraid it will exorcise you, it wont. It will definitely ruffle your feathers, so to speak, if you are an entity, but it will not force you out. Unless you infuse the salt with the will of someone who wants you out of that body, entity or not, you will be fine. Whats some discomfort when youll have your answer?

Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)

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11 years ago (2012-10-26)

Sanguine, that test is the only 100% consistent one ever found. You arent realizing how many volumes your refusal speaks of you. As I said before, either ignorant, a troll, or delusional. Which one are you? That test would give you the answer you seek. Lets see some evidence you are an entity in someone elses body, before you go filling peoples heads with the idea. Take the salt bath, please.

Sanguine (1 stories) (7 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-26)

Shaolin, I've attempted to be polite and tolerant and respectful, but your obviously not returning that unless you get your own way.

If I don't do your petty test then it means nothing and will continue to mean nothing while you dictate to me what 'rights' I may or may not possess and to attempt to insult me and subtly threaten others.

That kind of behavior is not becoming of you or anyone else. If all you are going to do is pester me to pander to your desires then I would appreciate it if you took it elsewhere or aimed it at yourself for a change.

To everyone else, I hope this kind of exchange doesn't deter you. I would still be glad to have a civil and productive discussion.

Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-25)

Annev, I have been very lenient. Stop deleting my comments if you have nothing to offer against what I say. You may be amod on this site, but you are NOT someone who can actually stand to a non internet based move against you.

Please, do us both a favor, and let my words be seen. If you do not, you will not have experiences of your own to share.

Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)

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11 years ago (2012-10-25)

If you will not do the test, you have no right to claim you are helping anyone, or that you are even a nonhuman in a body.

Sanguine (1 stories) (7 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-25)

BaRoimhEasonoir, I know this situation won't last indefinitely, something will happen sooner or later to alter it, so when it does then I will be sure to let everyone know.

Shaolin, with all due respect as much as I would like to prove your theories, my focus here is helping Celeste as I've attempted to make clear throughout this and that is what I will be focusing on.

I understand and respect your opinion and that you want to be sure of my legitimacy so you don't waste your energy and such, but as I said previously, I do not want to put my well being at risk for your sake.

Feel free to make some helpful suggestions if you like, otherwise I'm sorry that I can't cater to what you want from me.

Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-24)

I forgot to mention that severe dizziness, and temporary loss of vision aka "seeing spots," while subject to a large amount of salt, will only happen if you have a disassociation from your physical body, or are a legitimate entity.

Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-24)

BaRoimhEasonoir, I was not attempting to prove nor disprove the OP's article. I wanted to bring forth the truth. Right now, the odds of the OP having a legitimate claim to being an entity in someone elses body are a hair short of none. If the OP will do the test I mentioned, then we shall see.

There is nothing healthy about feeding into peoples attempts to find answers, when they refuse methods that can possibly prove them wrong. Sanguine wants a "yes man," who will tell them they are 100% correct, and have no reason to believe different.

Many bouts of delusions begin in the subconscious. Sanguine, are you able to reference everything that is within your subc, that would be relevant to this? Do you have evidence that your unwillingness to to a test which would result in moderate to severe dizziness, and "seeing spots," is not an underlying refusal to face the fact that you might just be delusional? Delusions happen, they do not guarantee you are schizophrenic. If you refuse to accept something is a delusion, it may just mean you dislike reality as it is. Refusing to let go of a delusion isn't sign of mental illness. Some just do not want to wrap their minds around reality, because it makes them feel such a way that they do not want to.

Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-24)

It is one thing to ask for advice on a situation we believe may well be metaphysical in nature, or be evidence we have some kind of ability. The healthiness of the consideration ends when the one with the questions or experience refuses to accept there are ways to figure out the truth, when the truth would point to them being wrong. I am sorry, I will not indulge blatant delusions. You already admitted to being very sensitive to salt. The reaction you mentioned is a small amount of evidence of more sensitivity than you would have if you belonged in that body. However, you refuse a more intensive test.

The evidence of delusions doesn't lie in you being oversensitive to salt, if you told the truth about it. It lies in the fact you are refusing a better test, which would yield evidence of a more solid kind. Those who are truly searching for answers will put aside the level of discomfort you mentioned, to figure out their life. I have seen all of this before, had this discussion with many. You would be no different.

Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-24)

Sanguine, I'm no longer taking you seriously. That experiment I mentioned is no "small bit of info." It is a 100% consistent way of identifying the level of relevancy you have to that body. Unless you were born with it, you won't be able to keep stable around something that disturbs electromagnetic flow. You are either delusional, a troll, or very ignorant

BaRoimhEasonoir (39 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-24)

Sanguine-

Thank you, it's nice to see that what I suggested may be helpful.
I truly hope you are able to find a way round this.

If you succeed then please post it on this site, it would be lovely to know.

Shaolin-

I understand that logical thinking is the best thing. However, as you may know, not every case is the same. Trying to disprove every case that strays off the normal path may cause a lot of hurt, especially if the author came here because no one would listen.
All I can ask of you is to try to be more...gentle.
That shouldn't stop us from questioning contradictions of course

Sorry if I sound like I am telling you to do everything. I just want to prevent people suffering any more.

Sanguine (1 stories) (7 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-24)

Shaolin, I'm well aware of what you've mentioned. Although I'm not sure whether drawing direct conclusions from that small amount of information would be entirely accurate for me personally.

Thebigm, thank you for offering the link. I've already read through it. I trawled through most of the articles the moment I got here, I enjoyed it immensely.

Thebigm (8 stories) (32 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-24)

I'd start here:

Http://www.psychic-experiences.com/psychic-articles/psychic-or-suffering-schizophrenia.php

Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-23)

Salt effects a human aura, but it balances out. Entities will have a continuous feeling like they are unstable. Possibly that they are coming apart. If you had such an altered astral body that salt would have little to not effect on you, then you sure as heck wouldn't have fallen prey to a few memory blocking binds/seals/etc.

Sanguine (1 stories) (7 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-23)

BaRoimhEasonoir, I've looked into books before and soon realized that a solo effort wouldn't have worked because of the nature of the information sought. Terminology was and still is a large hurdle for me because it changes so much from one culture and individual to the next.

If I was to search for any information from books now, it would be involving some non-violent and painless means to block out Celeste's awareness of me and the body entirely and then somehow organize for her to reside in another body at short notice.

Anyhow, at this point my personal situation is something I find to be mostly irrelevant other than as an explanation as to why I'm here and why I can't leave (because normally the logical means of exiting would be to just sever all energetic bonds to the body in question.)

If all of my binds were lifted then I would linger for a while regardless because I have unfinished business to attend to and for a lot of the work I would need a body in the long term.

So unfortunately on Celeste's part, something will need to happen to allow her to cope with me, which is why I've made this discussion.

There have been other individuals involved. There were 3 psychics who mentioned me to four close members of Celeste's family (not at the same time,) two of those family members were already aware of me to some degree.

But after a certain time I never thought to contact anyone and have them try to sort out the situation on my behalf.

Ideally if I found someone that was/is close to the family and if he/she somehow coerced the biological sister to drop her guard then she would definitely be a crucial support and positive influence for Celeste.

There are a lot of if's there, but it's a course of action I haven't considered so thank you for that.

Rashidah

I understand your skepticism. You have no obligation to believe anything your read. I mean you no disrespect and I appreciate you taking the effort to reply.

Feel free to continue to do so or not.

Shaolin

I can't tolerate much salt around me at any one time for various energetic reasons and adding water to the mix would amplify the affect of the salt.

The most I can do with tolerable discomfort is physically consume or be within 8 meters of small amounts of salt along with other substances.

So I will decline on the bath for my own sense of well being. I apologize for the inconvenience that may cause.

Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-23)

Rashidah, the fact that I am an entity is common knowledge in my inner circle of friends, because its hard to not see when you work with the same people for a while. I respect your belief, and will leave you to decide if you will ever work with me for a length of time.

I am leaning more towards the poster being in fantasy, or trying to lie or troll. There are simple things like an "unnatural" level of ESP capability in incarnated or visiting entities. It is the natural skill used to maneuver other dimensions. The sensory perception for such a being is considered ESP here, because it is not the main source of environmental recognition in the physical. Unless they were bound, given mental blocks to prevent access to memories, maybe lost access to memories by crossing over, etc, then the poster is incorrect, delusional, or a liar/troll.

Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-23)

Sanguine, an entity in a body would have a nice amount of ESP under their belt, as it is how you even sense your environment and others in other dimensions. The fact that you are defensive at all means you are a) a victim to a number of binds, loss of access to memories, etc, or b) full of crap. I'm looking more at option b at the moment.

You arent the first to claim what you have. There are a number of things, like salt, which interact with electromagnetic frequencies of a certain kind. Salt would, in the least, make you feel like you are unstable for a moment. Do me a favor, take a bag of salt, and put it in your next bath.

BaRoimhEasonoir (39 posts)

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11 years ago (2012-10-23)

Rashidah-

If you had not noticed I had apologized an explained why I was rude earlier, then I shall say it again - I am sorry and I was in a bad mood when I wrote that. I thought that you may have had the courtesy of forgiving me, however it is quite clear that you don't.

A- my name is in a different language.
B- I will not retalite as this section is for helping the author. I have tried this so you should too, instead of replying to something I wrote without thinking. If you find this difficult perhaps you should get out this thread.

I don't recall seeing in the rules spirits aren't allowed to use the site, and even if it did it should not stop us from helping them.

Let's see if you can help yourself from retaliating for no reason...again.

Rashidah (23 stories) (17 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-23)

I asked those questions because I was wondering if you were dabbling into something since this sounds too farfetch to unfortunately logical thinking persons like myself.

I did not know that the moderators are now allowing 'spirits' to submit stories here. I did not see the 'obvious' since I have not been to the site in awhile and could not have picked up on the changes while I was gone.

I stupidly thought that you meant that you may have been possessed and is seeking help with a troubled entity.

And BaRoi... Your online name is too long and weird for me to type it out. Maybe because I think it is...what's the word 'idiotic'

Shaolin good luck in helping the poster. You know me well enough to know that I believe this to be a poster who is in a fantasy world if they seriously expect people to believe that they are going to one person to another 'possessing' them.

So you will be FAR better to help than me since you believe in these 'things' and that you believe that you are an actual spiritual entity yourself.

Sorry for interrupting. My puny uneducated mind seems to lack even more understanding these days on these matters that I only read about ONLY on this site and no where else.

Goodluck

Oh yeah how is the MyTelekinesis Site? Are you still on it?

BaRoimhEasonoir (39 posts)

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11 years ago (2012-10-23)

So:
We know that excorsisms won't work and are just unpleasant.
Saying "the power of christ compels ye" definately won't work.

There are usually only one or two actually very experienced and talented people on a site like this. They certaintly won't know anything about binding spirits to human bloodlines.

All I can think of is that you might find something of use in an old book. This book, If it exists will be rare and almost impossible to find. You will need many people to find it.

For getting Celeste and her family to understand you you will need to get someone to make them understand for you, someone outside their friends, who is calm, patient and understanding. If we had more information I could try and find something for you.

BaRoimhEasonoir (39 posts)

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11 years ago (2012-10-23)

Sorry, was In a bad mood at the time I wrote that.
I am writing this part because of the minimum 50 characters: ignore this sentence.

Sanguine (1 stories) (7 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-23)

I'll answer in order of the responses I suppose.

Rashidah, unfortunately I think you have read the article a bit quickly and overlooked a few things (one being that I am the summoned spirit, not the summoner.) Perhaps you could re-read it and re-state your questions so I can answer them properly?

(BaRoimhEasonoir, thank you for pointing out the obvious I guess.)

Shaolin, I'm hesitant to reply because I don't see why anything should be spoken about in private. I have also communicated with many who have claimed to be able to 'fix' my situation (or have also claimed to have actually fixed it) when they know very little about the circumstances and often later eat their words for one reason or another... So I hope you can understand and excuse my defensive and skeptical attitude regarding said claims.

Regardless of that I will add you under the premise that you have good intentions and also if you accept that the moment I so much as sense any kind of ill intent or falseness from you I'll likely block you (which I would do with anyone in the same situation, so its nothing personal.)

Thank you everyone for the replies thus far, hopefully there are more to come.

Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-22)

hey hey, please do not be so rude. Rashidah does her best to aid, is that not enough to dampen your disdain?

Anyways, I have yet to receive correspondence from this troubled spirit dude.

BaRoimhEasonoir (39 posts)

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11 years ago (2012-10-22)

Rashidah-

Please read the text again. This is the spirit who was summoned and tied to a human bloodline writing, not the summoner. Idiot.

Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-22)

If you really want a way out of this, feel free to add me to Yahoo IM.

Savetwo12 [at] yahoo.com

Rashidah, I am an entity, and I do not appreciate being said to have a "class." Other entities who think in that manner end up dead because they try some arrogant course of action in an attempt to dominate others. I'm not threatening you, I'm just saying, that is not a polite way to think.

Rashidah (23 stories) (17 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-22)

Okay let me walk through your experience very carefully. I am literally going to dissect all of this.

1. How old were you when you decided to 'summon'
2. How did you know how to summon at a young age?
3.What is the name of the spirit? What is its class?
4. And for the utmost importance, for what purpose did you call this spirit for.

Oh yeah 5. Where was your parents when all of this was happening?

Sanguine (1 stories) (7 posts)

11 years ago (2012-10-22)

(I tried answering to this a couple days ago, but my internet has been acting up so it clearly never sent. Lucky I saved a copy of it.)

Thank you for the replies and suggestions thus far.

It's nice to know someone has experienced a similar situation and that they ended up cooperating...etc.

In the past I have attempted to (and am continuing to) mediate by giving her free will and offering compromises (even deals) but more than once I have ended up in some pretty dire circumstances (one of which I returned to the body being in ICU, no one was sure what had happened.)

I want to trust her and offer her whatever I can to lessen her discomfort, but her distrust and aggression tends to force my hand to do the opposite. The kind of intolerable behavior has been escalating for a while and I'm not sure whether she can or will accept anything less then being rid of me.

I'm unsure of how to make her see my side of things save for forcing my own memories upon her (since shes refused to read anything and won't talk.)

If she keeps refusing to cooperate and lashes out and such then all I can think to do is continue to restrain her or remove her from the body or at the most extreme just end her existence entirely.

Any alternate ideas in any of those category's (showing her my side of the story or precautions against her causing any harm) would be most welcome.

And lastly yes, I can't be helped specifically since there are only three situations in which my binds loosen enough to allow me to end the curse. It's a bit beside the point, so no need for anyone to wrack their brains over it.

It's also true that sometimes I do try too hard and overcompensate, though at this point I'm pretty close to giving up after 19 years worth of trying.

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