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whitebuffalo (guest)
 
12 years ago (2011-01-21)
All right. Nip THIS argument in the bud. Enough. End it now. Just let it go.
Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)
 
12 years ago (2011-01-21)
Good question, who to believe, a self proclaimed void "devil" or someone who says the truth, which is that the void is the "nothing" things come from. It's not a bi-product, nor is there anything but will that would make a void being a "devil." Considering the general meaning of devil in this universe, I can safely discredit you in front of the world now. Mind you it's not a personal insult or attack, but I will not allow such poisonous mindsets. And being as void being does not make me know about this universe, research does, and has.
NaturalScience (229 posts)
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12 years ago (2011-01-21)
Ishvara Satchitananda bol! Praise to the Lord who is both a Person and formless Bliss!
Ananda you hit the pint exactly with your words

"I think we are just small cells in the body of God. "

And with your comparison of evil people to cancer cells.

I came to the SAME words and SAME idea long before the event in 1998 see SpiriSite. In fact I came to it when about twenty-one. Then I still did not know that

THIS IS THE VERY CORE OF FUTURE THEOLOGY!

Ananda don't care about the fate of your Methodist Church. In fact you already belong to a post-Christian Church of the Future to which all people belong who spontaneously, BEFORE reading about such ideas in books have recognized this.

I call those cells of the Unborn New Religion who unite the doctrines of Jesus and Buddah in their hearts "Nadanians" - alluding to the "Nada Continuum" concept of Heaven designed in the Buddhist-SciFi novel "Engineman" of Eric Brown. Read it sister!

You are the very first one I found to share this cell-in-God's body concept LITERALLY with me. But this proves nothing about the number of people in the world STRUCTURALLY knowing it. I suppose them to be millions in North America alone. At the time when they recognize themselves to be everywhere and unite to be a Church and have a group name, the dawning new Era really will begin.
ZiShu (129 posts)
 
12 years ago (2011-01-21)
Just so you know Shaolin, I have a friend who is part Void Devil. There is a 19000 year old Void devil who helped created him long ago. They know who created the Universe which is God of all. The void dimension are the leftover negative energies of this and all other dimensions. Just because you are part void, doesn't mean you know the truths of the universe. At the same time, I wonder why there are other void beings who do know the Creator. Who to believe... You or other void beings hmm.
AnandaHya (guest)
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12 years ago (2011-01-21)
I was wondering if anyone else heard of the inner and outer universe?

The idea is that in each human there is an inner universe and if you have your third eye open, initial it is focused inward and sees only the inner universe. This allows past life reccession, self diagnosis, lucid dreaming, etc.

Some people have flipped their mirror outward and know how to universe functions. It flips back in so the mind can read those images.

My five year old son told me about the flipping mirror in his head after watching some qi gong excerise. I've never told him or read to him about it, so I find it curious. He also says he's half light most days but when he is scared he's all dark. Sounds like ying/yang energy and karmic balance.

I think we are just small cells in the body of God. Like maybe a liver, heart or muscle cells. Not whole until we connect with others to complete our purpose. THe liver purifies the world, the heart pumps life giving energy to others, and the muscle protects and gets things done. The 'angels" or "spirit guides" most people refer to on this site are like white blood cells that protect the body as a whole.

That is how I see the world and our place in it in relation to both the inner and outer universe. Hell is a place to burn off the dark negative karma that we create by not functioning as we were meant to and becoming cancerous and making our world sick with hate and anger and selfishness.
spookvanger (13 stories) (136 posts)
 
12 years ago (2011-01-21)
Rashidah
I know that many spirits do lie, but once advanced to a guide the chances are slim, as the guides are monitored. Allow me to quote from a question and answer session after a lecture from our guides:
"you my friend here, who have no questions, asked a question about the Seven Lords of Creation.Correct?Good.
Each person has a guide. Each and every household has a guide or control.Let's use the word control, that controls the destinies or the discipline or the behaviour of those individual guides (controls) in the household. Each family, let's rather use the word clan, has above all those guide controls governing that clan, a control. Every town and city has one that governs there. So you go on until all nations. Then we come to the seven facets of creation. And over each of them there is a control. Can you see how high we are now? There I leave you to make your own deductions"
I trust our guides explicitly as they assisted us in Rescue work for many years, and whenever they did not know an answer to a question would say so. They would then look it up in the Akashic Records, and furnish us with an answer at our next seance.
I will respond to your other post shortly.
God bless.
Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)
 
12 years ago (2011-01-21)
Spookvanger, two word: prove it. This juvenile blatent disregard for facts and out right delusions on this site piss me off, but then again I came to this plane to help ease such delusions. However, I see a lot of you are unwilling to look past your petty perceptions based on "immaculate findings by internet psychics." Not saying some aren't real, but don't believe everything you read on the internet. As well there are many beings who deceive humans just because they realize with the ego they have, they can tell them whatever, and they'll believe it if it gets them closer, even if only in their own mind, to their goals. I've been around longer than humans, my soul is very very old. I'm not fooled by deceptive entities, nor do I coddle delusions.
marcusj0015 (2 stories) (81 posts)
 
12 years ago (2011-01-21)
i don't know about lucifer part, but I PERSONALLY have went to hell,

I didn't die, but a demon took me to hell for only a moment to scare me,

I'm not going to recite it here but look at my latest comment on my post Shadow Theft.
spookvanger (13 stories) (136 posts)
 
12 years ago (2011-01-21)
Shaolin
I don't intent to argue or even discuss matters with you for it is obvious that you are totally, but totally, clueless.
Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)
 
12 years ago (2011-01-20)
No to all of that... I really hope you don't believe what you just said even after admitting you only know one side, the side which means some way or somehow this universe was created from a void presence. I realize that to know what is real we must find out what really happens or what really is, and thus requires we actually listen to our souls. I know what is right based on how I feel in my soul, I don't give my mind credit if my soul says no, that's self destructive. I know for fact that yes the "god" thing is merely for anyone's worship, having anyone who will do what they want. I know I'm not incorrect, my life before this one was as a spirit, I remember full well what I experienced, saw, helped correct, help prevent, help create, help balance. Whosoever doesn't believe me, that is their choice, but fact remains fact and there's no point in turning any of this into an argument because trying to prove someone else wrong without being able to put the facts in their face in a way they understand it just leads to an unending argument. I will also say this, there have been many different concepts believed to be intelligent beings, merely because they are very intricate, and there's a giant misconception that the universe itself doesn't have a life force, as in whatever mass of universal, material manifests into the body systems and gets it's own individual functioning system. If it didn't have one, considering what beings of this universe are based on, there would be no beings. Now a concept having to do with life force doesn't make it a being, beings are masses of material that, again, have individually functioning systems. Shadows are beings, they are programmed masses of energy that form when someone has negativity in them that secretes into their aura, and eventually into the etheric proper, but they have their own functioning system.
NaturalScience (229 posts)
 
12 years ago (2011-01-20)
Sgaolin to me it is often frightening to the bone that our creator should be a person for this involves the possibility of tyranthood to human account. But I know this to be a deception caused by biological instincts of our mortal part. This Spirit IS a Person but it is ALSO Void. For THAT contains all structures of the Universe and is contained in all of them, so that all this mortal "Maya" we live in rather symbolically, analogously DEPICTS than conceals IT, and at the same time IT is beyond all of them.
A double nature thus, as that of the Electron which is at same time particle and energy-wave.
This is the classical definition of the Nature of Lord Shiva.
To me the only logical definition of God that contains the Personal as well as the Void aspect.
I yet know the Void aspect only but look forward to somehow meeting the Personal. To me and to Logic, knowing only the Void aspect disproves nothing!
Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)
 
12 years ago (2011-01-20)
Rashidah... There is no god anyone answers to in this universe, merely natural order. The "god within" is the knowledge of natural order inside every soul. Everyone knows how life goes, how things work, some just get trapped in the fallacies of the outer soul, the mind. It is often times mistaken for a being because of how highly evolved it is at its roots, how "intelligent" it seems, because it can sustain itself. Life is a cycle of balances. Anyone who calls themselves the god of this universe is full of it, and not to be trusted.
Rashidah (guest)
 
12 years ago (2011-01-20)
Oh I forgot to to post about the veil.

We should all strive to see beyond the veil. This involves an awareness of the god within; the opening of the third eye so that we begin to see beyond the veil and understand who and what we are in relation to the Universe. It involves our matching resonance with others of our own kind as we evolve. We know we have reached this level, when we begin to see events in our lives as a paradox.
Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)
 
12 years ago (2011-01-20)
Excuse me for the double post, but I figured I should add that this being does help others, but... It's ultimate goal is to be worshiped. Hence the central theme of the bible being "believe in me that I am all powerful and your god or go to hell."
Shaolin (1 stories) (212 posts)
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12 years ago (2011-01-20)
Things come from the void and either become beings or "universes." Some beings do create universes but this universe was not created by a being. There is a void being who claims to have created this universe, the spirit being called "johovah" in the bible. He sent mental images to certain beings and asked them to write them down as the text known as the bible. That being is lying, they did not create this universe or any, they just deceive.
Rashidah (guest)
 
12 years ago (2011-01-20)
And also spirit guides have a tendency to lie to us. We should not put our heads on the block that every thing they say will be truthful. If that was true we would not have so many theories about God and Lucifer. Everyone would have simply agreed to one.

It is a sort of competition thing they though to get us to revere them more.

Thank you for sharing your account.

I would of posted my spirit guide's account of creation but I fear that it will not be posted on this site due to fear of it being too 'satanic'
Rashidah (guest)
 
12 years ago (2011-01-20)
I have reread this story. Please note that this is only my 'opinion'. I mean absolutely no offense.❤

This reminds me of the biblical version of the story of Lucifer which I do not follow anymore after talking to this being.

The Creation Story and The Big Bang Theory are two totally different things. The Big Bang Theory was bought up by scientists who did not believe in the Creation Story spoken of in the bible. They like myself saw that there were a lot of loop holes to that story. As a matter of fact, the biblical story of creation was taken from older and more advance civilizations like Sumeria, Egypt and so on.

I believe that Lucifer is an extension (just like we all) from the Creator Himself or Herself.

Now you say that if any spirit comes to tell you that if he is Lucifer he is lying. I understand where you are coming from. I can also say that if any spirit comes telling me that he is Jesus that he is lying also, since historically there was no original 'J' in the Hebrew language at the time of this prophet. Most likely his name was not even Jesus.

Lucifer when translated means Light Bearer. It is a title yes I am aware that. Other beings use that title also. I have encountered a being of light last week that also uses the title. These beings are beings of light and inspiration.

As for the theory of hell, I see it as a scare tactic;
Http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BBEU6MRXTXIAA25EWQSV6WCRV4/blog/articles/221567?listPage=index

And it is also an extension of our minds. We make our own hell.
spookvanger (13 stories) (136 posts)
 
12 years ago (2011-01-20)
AnandaHya
As I have said: You can accept or reject what
I want to share. It is your prerogative.
God bless.
AnandaHya (guest)
 
12 years ago (2011-01-19)
oh I see the problem I don't think Hell is eternal, just a few thousands of years of suffering an then you get a chance to reincarnate again after a few eons of suffering.
spookvanger (13 stories) (136 posts)
 
12 years ago (2011-01-17)
anandahya
I invite you to reread the post, but as I said:
You can accept or reject it. It is your prerogative.
When I were still at school (1950) I could not believe
the story of a hell.Reasons:
According to Gospel there is a battle between good and evil and the vast majority of people will go to hell and the minority will go to heaven.Right?Now, I asked myself, who is the winner, the most powerful? God or the devil?
The answer did not make sense to me.Next.
Say for instance you land in heaven. You look around for your children and they are nowhere to be found. They can only be in hell.
Somehow I don't think you are going to enjoy your stay.Next.
I am a very plain and ordinary person but I
"cannot hurt a fly".How can I expect my God
Of Love to cast billions of humans into hell
To burn there for ever and ever?Sorry, but I CAN NOT.
If only the site did not refuse to publish my last two stories (also received from spirit guides) you might have had a better
Understanding.
Incidently,the demon in your church that you are unable to get rid of, I suggest you use the prayer as described by ashd9 in in his/her post. It may work.
God bless.
spookvanger (13 stories) (136 posts)
 
12 years ago (2011-01-17)
ashd9
Because they are in the same mental state as you and billions of others--they do not know.
The curse of ignorance apply not to the earth plane only.
ashd9 (44 posts)
 
12 years ago (2011-01-16)
I agree AnandaHya well said:) My question would be, if you've ever had the experience Spookvanger, why would demons leave on the account of the prayer of Saint Michael, which asks him to cast spirits to Hell? To threaten them with a place that is fictional, why would they have a strong reaction to it?
AnandaHya (guest)
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12 years ago (2011-01-16)
Spookvanger, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. There is no way that you can say with certainity there is no hell or that Lucifer doesn't exist. I haven't found or seen anything that Lucifer was "reasborbed into the Godhead"

I don't know if he is "evil" nor do I know why you don't believe in a "hell" you stated that the karmic balance must be maintain. Some people are so trapped in their anger and sin and can not let go of the past that they chose to be reincarnated into "hell" it is their unconcious choice. They could escape if they found faith, love and compassion and the humbleness to admit that they were wrong.

That was Adam and Eve's sin: blaming the snake for their own actions instead of sucking it up and taking their prunishment or making admends. It shows irresponsibility and a refusal to grow up. If you want the power to create/blue and destroy/red energy (aka knowledge of good and evil) then one should grow up in ones thoughts and actions.

We were meant to be green earth spirits to help maintain the balance of the earth, but many people want more than that. They should strive to learn wisdom and compassion or risk being driven crazy by the dark angels to maintain the balance of this world.
Stark (2 stories) (52 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-08-27)
I thought that "lucifer" didn't even exist. I thought that name was just a name. Anyways to me the name "lucifer" is just a symbol of "evil"
The_Guardian_Angel (4 stories) (53 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-07-27)
Ok the only problem I have with this is that Lucifer didn't die and there is a hell, because of my past life... I use to have many dreams about me fighting along with Archangel Michael and with the rest of the angel against Lucifer and his army of angel on a spiritual plan not known to man, but only to those that have seen it or been told by angels. When I went to a psychic to help me understand if I was psychic or just crazy. One thing I asked is that. "Do I have a connection with the battle between Michael and Lucifer. She said "Yes." I was an angel and it was my first past life and the biggest memory I remember. I was the right hand of Michael, and step below Archangel, but I still was one of the strongest and best soldiers Michael had ever had. I was in command of the growing army when the Archangels had business with God or had things to do and I was the leader for a group of Angels lower then my rank. I help led the army with Michael into the battle. Too many angel's from both sides were dying and God wanted this to end, and so did I. Me and other angels that wanted to fellow me charge at Lucifer and made a big impact enough to start ending him and his followers down to hell. Though as everyone was following, Michael grabbed my hand, he didn't wanted to let me go and I told him these words. "Brother, you have to let me guy. God has gave me this purpose and you need to end this. I will be back... No let me go." It was the first time I cry and Raphael and Gabriel showed up trying to get Michael to let me go and even saw them crying as well after I fell down into what will be called Hell.

I don't even want describe what hell was like, but what happen down there, is the reason why I'm always hard on myself and every past life I lived. Once in hell we were on Lucifer grounds and no boundary nor code of conduct. I do what I can to keep the angels that follow me alive, but they way Lucifer follows fought, it was so wrong and never exacted. Left and right all my brothers died and I was the only one left. Lucifer finally showed up and only wanted me and him to fight. I lost the battle and I guess you can say I was the first one torched in hell. I don't want to say what he did to me because it hurts me when thinking about it, but I will never forget about the last words he said to me before he killed me. "When I raise from the hell, I going to find you on earth and kill you. Then find a way to get back to heaven to kill my brother Michael and then our father..." After I died and drew my last breath I turn into a white orb and went back to heaven because I was still an angel and not a fallen one.

Some of your ideas I believe, but you tell me how I can remember me seeing Lucifer and torturing me in Hell as his first victim...
NIIZUKI (7 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-07-27)
this is AMAZING... It all agreed to my own perspectives. Thank you very much! 😁
spookvanger (13 stories) (136 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-07-27)
Muses,Good morning!
A Rescue Circle is a group of people who has a seance once a week with the express purpose of helping earthbound spirits who
Do not realise that they have passed over.
Read my stories which contain examples.
Should you still want to contact me I can
Be reached at: benenbabs [at] hotmail.com
Muses (3 stories) (10 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-07-26)
What is this Rescue Circle? I have heard about it, but what is it? I would love to ask you questions about this subject.

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