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Ravenula (3 stories) (115 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-02-20)
I believe the words "dead relatives watching over loved ones" means the same as acting like an Angelic agent for loved ones who are still on the physical plane... If Love be the bridge between Heaven (the spirit realm) and Earth how can that be evil?

I sense a lot of Fear of the possibilities of Love in people who think that Love does not make Angels or Guardians out of humans deceased or still living.

Even a soul cannot be called human when stripped of its physical robes when its full supernatural glory is revealed.

And yet God gives an opportunity for every soul to evolve in becoming an Angelic or Light being... Since spiritual evolution does not end at Death.

I don't find it surprising at all that fundamentalists just think they will go to Heaven to some sort of Eternal rest... What do you think your work really ends upon Death? If your work did end in "Heaven" why did you choose to reincarnate again?

To incarnate into this physical realm is a choice, not only as a school to spiritually evolve but also to lessen the suffering of others while doing so. It is indeed a pity that so many lose their way and forget why they came here in the first place, ending up being a destructive force not only for others but for themselves as well.

God knew you before you were born, you were in heaven before you were born on Earth... So if you lived in Heaven before coming here weren't you some Angel and now stationed on Earth to complete a mission to benefit many others in their spiritual growth depending on how well you succeed at this Test of Faith called Life!?

With such narrow-minded views as that of "Gerry" one cannot possibly fathom to what one would be capable of through the Power of God. You do no one good if you live in Fear of your own Light, when you are afraid of your Divine potential.
Gerry (1 stories) (87 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-02-20)
That is the whole problem, things are black and white good and evil. We choose to make things grey by wanting to change the cosmic flow of God, hence our problems.
I suggest that the bible be read to fully understand our purpose and Gods. All spirit is from God, nothing can exist without spirit. We can't have spiritual powers and say there is no God, it's the same as saying we exist without atoms, it can' be done.
But thanks for imput and I respect your thoughts.
Sincerely Gerry
shapeshifter78 (2 stories) (169 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-02-20)
Gerry, even that statement is wrong and has flaws in it. We do not stay for goodbyes for 3 days. No one but the dead themselves. A spirit can say goodbye or stay here until the end of time if it feels like it. Also some people who die vicious deaths may stay longer if they wish to. Others just stay to watch over their family and friends or maybe even finish something. I said this before but not everything is black or white.
Gerry (1 stories) (87 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-02-20)
I thank you for your comments, and let me clariy myself.
The bible was not the instigator of death in the witch hunts or those that did not believe totaly what the church was teaching. The mark of the beast is in the churches and misleading millions and will do so in a bigger way soon.
The bible explicitly says not to speak with deceased bodies, and yes it does not say not to speak with angels to which love for us to thank them.
Angels are our helpers and not our dead relatives. (read Psalm 91:11)
When we transform into the heavemly realm we stay earth bound for three days as did Christ, this is so we can have our good-byes. God knows that the spirits are misleading and that is why He said do not speak with them. King Saul got punished for seeking out the spirit of Samuel.
God said,"Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be deefiled by them" Leviticus 19:31
" I will set my face against the person who does, etc" Leviticus 20:6
There are reasons why God gives us warnings, but we always feel we know better then complain our lives are a mess?
Loving fellowship Gerry ❤ ❤ ❤
Ravenula (3 stories) (115 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-02-20)
Yes I don't think you can "invite" them, they come to you when you are ready... Or when you must hear a message from them. You hear from them and not they from you, meaning they can't answer any "call or invite" they just "invite themselves".

You do not have control over which spirits you see or not, only your Gate Keeper or Guardian Angel is the authority to filter and block out harmful even good spirits.

If you Guardian Angel (s) would find it benevolent or for your own greater good that some spirits must come through, then they will.

But as I said they even block out "good spirits" who would otherwise just waste your time having no significant message to share at all.
TheGreatUnknown (9 stories) (12 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-02-20)
[at] Ravenula I completely understand where you're coming from. If a person sees something, it's for a reason and I shouldn't try to envoke it.
Ravenula (3 stories) (115 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-02-20)
Hello GreatUnknown, I am just saying your grandmother would probably not just return to tell you that she is okay, when they do it takes a lot of energy and even some sort of small assignment by God as in bringing an accompanied spiritual message with them.

It is not just a thing of "seeing each other, saying hello, how are you doing, catching up and goodbye", since spirit visitations are not always just simple occurrences.
Ravenula (3 stories) (115 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-02-20)
Hello Gerry you shared something interesting with us, it is also true that there are nephilim spirits or demons if you will.

But the Bible also says "Belief in the one requires belief in the other" so if you are willing to believe in Demons you must be willing to believe in Angels as well.

So let's say you believe in the Devil and his demons, but you believe in God but not in His Angels. How does that work? So you believe that God doesn't have any helpers aiding humanity? Belief in demons requires belief in Angels through the Power of God to resist and subdue them not to harm humans.

I also find it interesting I just read a story about someone believing that a "demon" told him not to "practice channeling" or he would get killed... Which I find even more so interesting because of one of the interpretations by another stating that the demon said "no, you must not acquire spiritual sight" for the sole reason to BE ASLEEP to demonic (otherwise malicious) spiritual activity.

So if the demon is saying "don't acquire the spirit vision so that you cannot detect us" then it makes sense as to why the Bible used as an instrument to manipulate and control men would say "don't consult with mediums or spirits" for the sole REASON TO CONCEAL SOMETHING.

Now I just had a realization as to how this veiling of all things spirit by the Bible links so accurately with the demon's "stay away from it" to prevent people to see the mass demonic activity going on not only in a small town but also on a global level.

I also find it strange that the Bible says "stay away from all things spirit" yet tells us to worship a Holy Spirit, also what I find even more strange is that Jesus was a clairvoyant (compare John 4, describing the woman at the well and how Jesus saw her past, future and present saying when she had this or that husband in specific time dates without she ever telling him about them)... And how God appeared in a burning Bush of FIRE (signifying elemental spirits or nature spirits at work) or how a wooden staff just turned into a snake... How much magic and spiritual activity isn't in that?

The Bible is full of contradictions... Also remember Jesus could speak to and understand Demons as well. And why would the Bible tell us to become like Jesus when we are not allowed to practice the "magic" he did? I find the Bible very much hypocritical in that sense, that WE MUST BELIEVE in God's Spirit and all sorts of spiritual wonder, BUT WE REALLY SHOULDN'T?!

Point being made if the Bible is used by the world to keep PEOPLE IGNORANT of seeing and being able to discern spirits... Then it is Blinding people's sight as to what corruption is really going on. Like should we really believe that when the Bible was used to kill millions of innocent men and women falsely accused of witchcraft, that the Bible is still good? Like should we really believe that those who go to church each Sunday and yet lack any real Faith, who do not believe in Spirits and Angels are utilising the Bible correctly by practicing prejudice against those who really believe and even call them insane because such things "mustn't be seen and are therefore not capable to exist nor to be acknowledged"!? Yes did you forget, the Bible tells us to Believe in Angels as well.

So if the Bible tells us "Do not believe in anything spiritual or things of Spirit" then what is it hiding? Even more so would it be hiding the true demonic activity behind worldly religion, because they can't see demons they cannot exist also so how can they see by what and whom they are being manipulated as with regards to the malicious religious indoctrination that only spreads ignorance and unbelief in Spirit?!

And if we are not allowed to see things of Spirit, how can people really Have faith in God or His helpers, since God can also not be physically seen, so if we cannot believe in His helpers and Angels because things of Spirit is just evil, then God being a thing of Spirit must be EVIL as well. Which is exactly why people do not experience God fully because they simply do not believe in a greater spiritual nature of God. You just cannot experience God fully if you do not believe in life beyond the "physical illusion". Those who can't see past the dogmatic material illusion are but mere men of the world knowing nothing of God's Spirit.
TheGreatUnknown (9 stories) (12 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-02-20)
[at] Ravenula
I invited my grandmother because I wanted to see her... I wanted to know that she was OK. I understand why you would think people would brag about it but I do not "brag" to people about ghosts. I don't take that topic lightly. I'm sorry if I upset you and if I gave the wrong impression. I apologise.
Gerry (1 stories) (87 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-02-20)
Dear friends and all that care. There are two types of spirits, the good that are in the waiting place in heaven, and the evil spirits of the Nephilim (children of the fallen angels) The spirits that people speak with such as psychics and most of you, are with the spirits of the Nephilim that lead you all astray.

It is written, "do not speak with spirits or use devices for communication". These evil beings knows this is wrong, so they use you so as you all go to hell, (which is real and don't be fooled to think it's not)
The good spirits will not speak with us knowing it is wrong and why should they if they are in a better place?
Take care from Gerry ❤
Ravenula (3 stories) (115 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-02-20)
For what purpose do you want to call spirits? Is it to have some scary experience you can brag to your friends about? If this is not for a benevolent purpose you would abuse spirit laws, and make fun of the spirits you wish to attract.

Spirits are like people, if you only want to attract them because they can be "scary ghosts" then you are not respecting them as individuals in their own right... You have to see something special in them and not just use and abuse them, so that you can write stories on here about how they just "appeared"... Or how you "just saw" them.

They like to be acknowledged for having special messages delivered, to have a greater purpose behind just the appearance.

If you just want to know if your grandmother is okay, why make her travel all the way to you just to tell you that?

You cannot just invite spirits thinking that they must do and make as you say, since they will demand something of you in return. Like "inviting" spirit guides, they would wish to work with you, and you must work with them.

Point being made: don't "invite spirit entities" if you are not planning to work for and with them, if you do not wish to do anything for the spirit realm in return.

It just sounds like you just want to see spirits, but you aren't thinking of the consequences.

If they appear let's say for your aid and you disregard their help just because you wanted to see them, or they ask you to do something for them and you just say no because you just wanted to see them and that's all there is to it to you, then you will be abusing them.

Like people spirits can become angry, and if you bothered them or called (invited) them and ignore them then they could possibly retaliate... And pester you in the most awkward ways until YOU REALLY SEE them and take proper notice of them.

So don't invite things you are planning to just see and then to ignore upon seeing.
TheGreatUnknown (9 stories) (12 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-02-20)
[at] Mubashir-I've been called crazy a lot. By now, I can separate reality from imagination. I've never seen a shadowy figure that looked like me, and I've never spoken to one. I'd love to research more about it.

Those sound like strange experiences! I would've been frightened out of my wits! The only time something scared me was when I fell asleep on my living room couch. I awoke to see a soldier with very dark hair smirking at me. He was leaning over me. I dove up, screaming. I was thumping the wall to try to get a light on. He was still staring at my pillow. I figured that I'd run to the hallway and switch on the light. I looked back and he was still leaning over the couch, but his head had completely turned in my direction and he was still smiling. It terrified me.
shapeshifter78 (2 stories) (169 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-02-20)
I think I may said this before but I had the same experience when I was little. It was a boy that looked exactly like me. I woupd visit him at night in my closet. I haven't seen him since I think when I moved away from that house but I could be wrong with the exact time I stopped seeing him. I remember that I thought of him as a very good friend. I think I told my parents of him although I can not be sure.
Mubashir (285 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-02-20)
[at] Thegreatunkown.You mean that when your relative died, the shadow figure disappeared. I think it was a messanger of death or something. I think it maybe just my imagination but I started talking to the shadow figure who looked like me when I was a little kid. I can't exactly explain how did he showed up before me. I sometimes still think its just my imagination and I am seeing things. I feel it very odd that I can't believe who is before me and yet I talk to him. I never told anyone about this or they will simply call me a big lunatic. To avoid that I keep things to myself.
TheGreatUnknown (9 stories) (12 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-02-20)
When I meditate I also find it a little difficult to stay in it. I've never spoken to my guardian angel. I went to a class and I felt that all the ideas were being put into my head. Once, I wasn't even really trying, I meditated for well over an hour without even noticing! When those things happened in my house, I asked the spirits over the evening and kept repeating myself. They showed up so it was very strange.

I've seen shadow figures but I've never actually seen them defined. I used to see a dark figure walk into a room in my house for years. It was the room of a sick relative. When that relative died, the dark figures stopped. Although, I still feel that there is something in a particular hallway... I always feel eyes staring at me and I get very anxious. Don't worry, I'm the worst person to describe things! You should try some meditation and perhaps the dark figure will become clearer... Or you could attempt to ask it.
Mubashir (285 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-02-19)
Well this may sound little strange and idiotic. I always see someone (a shadow figure who is just like me). I stare at him and talk to him and his words just come in my mind like they are my own words. Sorry when it comes to such things I am not very good at explaining. Hope this helps you a little bit. Take care and bye.
slirpie125 (2 stories) (21 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-02-19)
Ok, I have a question. How are you able to ask a spirit into your house? I tried talking to my Guardian Angel through meditation, but I always struggle to stay into meditation. I was wondering if you have ever asked a guardian into your house. If you have, do you have any tips on asking them into your house, and tips on meditation? It would help a lot!

Thanks,
Savannah 😆
Mubashir (285 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-02-18)
Well that's cool. You should always stay positive and happy. Hope you don't have to face any more problem again. 😁
TheGreatUnknown (9 stories) (12 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-02-18)
Thank you all for you comments. I do sometimes feel antsy about what's actually in my home... I always get nervous when I enter a particular hallway. I will indeed try to close the portal and shut out any negative energy. Luckily, I was in a positive mood at the time!
Ruth (4 stories) (156 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-02-17)
Be very careful, you can never hear "spirits" coming, they are not loud, it is only evil spirits who you can hear.

Love and light
Ruth - medium
Www.whitelightandwishes.com
Eagleclaw (386 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-02-17)
Hello,

I believe what you have done is open a portal for spirits to come into this world. The door is the portal. Hearing footsteps is a clear sign that they have arrived. And, I'm sure that many spirits crossed through that door. Doing this is never a good idea. Why? Some spirits are of low vibrational energy and can be dangerous. When you did this I hope that you were in a peaceful, loving and positive mood. If you were in fear, angry or in a negative mood than you have invited low vibrational negative spirits. You need to get someone who knows how to send the spirits back by closing the portal. You will hear the footsteps walking back into the door and the portal will close.
If you want to talk to spirits than you can invite the angels or your spirit guide next time. This is ok and a better idea. Also, some spirits that have past on don't like to be disturbed from their rest. It's better that they come to you. And always remember to be in a loving, positive and peaceful vibrational state whenever you are interacting with a spirit. Negative spirits aren't attracted to higher loving vibrational energy of humans. But the angels and your spirit guide are. If you can't find someone to close the portal than simply tell the spirits to leave until you find someone. Take care and I hope you listen to my advice.
Mubashir (285 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-02-17)
Well inviting random spirits is not very good idea beacause you don't know when you call a mean spirit. If you call one by acciedent and get scared, it will only make things worse. You don't have to invite spirits, if you keep your spiritual field happy, loving and peaceful. Good spirits will be attracted to you. I don't know about spirits but I attract wild animals alot.lol

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