Comments for Energy And The Begining Of Everything: Page 1

Anat,

You start off with this statement

"First off I would like to say, you analyze everything >.<.

When I say "goddesses/gods" I mean almost every reference to a divine being, and all the pantheons ect... I do not worship them or believe the faith that was formed around them so I do not used text to support it this or my other statement. When I commented on things such as this, I am using my own memory. ^_^

When I am speaking of nonhumans, let me be very clear. It is NOT a possession situation. Those souls are simply far more advanced and older souls wishing to experience the physical world. They have their own body. And have incarnated of their own free will <.<."

Of course I analyze everything... I wouldn't be very good in a 'debate' if I did not. 😁

I can respect the fact that you do not worship or believe in any of the faith's formed around any of the 'gods/goddesses'. As far as 'non-humans go... I can accept that if they have 'created' their own 'body' then it's not possession... Here is my take on 'non-human spirits/entities'...

When the 'First Intelligence' created the Earth (Gaia) Energies were released and these, formed into intelligences... Just as the First Intelligence had formed from the Energy of the 'Big Bang' so too were these intelligences formed... Being formed from 'reduced power' they do not have the Strength of the First Intelligence however they can manipulate things here on Earth... Call them Fey, Earth Spirit's...The 'Elements' or even Egyptian, Norse or Roman/Greek Pantheons. If you do not understand how this works with my 'Creation Theory' please feel free to ask I'll gladly go into more detail.

You state... Concerning your Profile... And I quote...

"I have not had the patience to go about adding more information and I do not wished to be questioned."

I do not think this can be helped if you do not provide enough information in your Profile... Questions are bound to happen because it's the first place people look if they do not understand something you have said.

Or should people just except your Advice and Help blindly because... Well why? I ask this because if I've understood this comment from you correctly... Well let me quote you...

"If you must ask, then yes I am. Hence the name..."

I did indeed ask, and I'll quote myself...

"I am very Curious about this comment. Are you inferring that you are one of these 'original beings' as you refer to them?"

So are we to believe you are...

Anat: Mother of Gods - The name Anat occurs in several forms in Ugaritic, Hebrew, Akkadian, and Egyptian, and as in such cases, the forms may vary widely. For example, in the Ugarit V Deity List it is spelled da-na-tu to be pronounced 'Anatu'. Otherwise in Phoenician it is 'nt and is pronounced 'Anat', 'Anatu', 'Anath' or 'Anata'. The name is usually translated from Hebrew as 'Anath', but it could also be 'Anat'. The Akkadian form is usually written as 'Anta' or 'Antu'. The Egyptian forms are 'Anant', 'Anit', 'Anti', and 'Antit'. We may also find variations of her name in reference books such as Anthat.

A major goddess of fertility, sexual love, hunting and war, the Goddess Anat was known among the Canaanites in prehistoric times, and was doubtless of considerable importance in that region.

You are this Anat?

So many people come here looking for advice or help and many people here do just that with the very best of intentions but there are those who come here to deceive, misdirect and possibly even 'recruit' for whatever reasons they have...

I will always stand up and DEBATE those who have come to this site with 'outrageous' claims as to who they are... How they can help and the fact it must be done 'behind closed doors/ via private e-mails'.

I was asked to visit this site because 'certain' posters were misleading innocent people who were looking for real help/advice. They made outrageous claims about who they were and or 'abilities' they have and many people were being deceived by them... All I want to do is keep the conversations open and honest... In the 'public forum' so that many may benefit from the advice offered to people concerning their experiences.

You also stated...

"Ps: I apologize for any mistakes in the english words."

I find it extremely difficult to 'believe' anyone that claims they are a 'Deity' from any Pantheon has problems with any language... Spelling or otherwise... Spell check is built in, all one has to do is look for the red wavy line under the misspelled words, and Translator programs abound...

That's about it... Looking forward to your Reply.


Respectfully,

Rook

First off I would like to say, you analyze everything >.<.

When I say "goddesses/gods" I mean almost every reference to a divine being, and all the pantheons ect... I do not worship them or believe the faith that was formed around them so I do not used text to support it this or my other statement. When I commented on things such as this, I am using my own memory. ^_^

When I am speaking of nonhumans, let me be very clear. It is NOT a possession situation. Those souls are simply far more advanced and older souls wishing to experience the physical world. They have their own body. And have incarnated of their own free will <.<.

If you must ask, then yes I am. Hence the name... He did not 'start' the entire thing or build the whole universe. He created a few beings who continued to create what you have now. The creator of the physical world and planet we are on now is Gaia. Elohim aka God (not sure I have the spelling correct) created humans and had to get Gaia's approval for humans to be here. Multiple beings have created multiple things. For instance, there is many dimensions created by other deities or beings who have not decided to strive for that 'rank'... I don't have any religious beliefs that dictate to what I believe, so I shall not be surprised if you don't believe a word of what I'm saying considering you most definately do. ^_^ I realize that this information shall be widely critisised (sp?:/) and If there are any questions about this I would prefer an Email.

I do not like to share much about myself unless asked. There are several questions you can ask just by what I said and what I post. For instance: How many abilities do you have? Why so vague on your profile? Ect. Also, I have not had the patience to go about adding more information and I do not wished to be questioned. The last time you had a different soul among this site who was open enough about it, almost all of you caused extreme issues with him. Some of you may remember Baal.

Anat ❤

Ps: I apologize for any mistakes in the english words.

Anat,

A most satisfactory post...😁

Thank you for reading...let's see...

So I can infer that you believe in a Polytheistic Theology? I'll quote you...

"The 'gods/goddesses' Are very much real. They are creations of the First being."

I have many friends who believe / follow either Greek or Norse Religions... Are these the gods/goddesses you refer to?

Are there any teachings from someone or books that support your belief in this... As your comment started with this statement...

"The universe was simply nothing but energy until it collected to form the first being. This you have correct. However his creations could also procreate and through that an entire family tree was formed. Its so elaborate that understanding it would take months."

When it comes to my beliefs I can provide references to books and teachings that support my 'Faith', this is why I ask.

Additionally...

I understand what you are saying when you say this...

"This 'Veil' is very much real, and when 'crossing' your memories are bound up by an energy seal produced by the veil."

This is very much like what I have been 'typing' about... When a spirit 'crosses over' and becomes 'part' of a Physical Body in order to experience a Physical Existence the spirits memories from the Spiritual Realm are 'locked away' so that it may learn from it's existence as a Physical Being. But you go on to say this...

"Others who are apart of the original beings have more then one seal to bind their energy. This is because the higher energy levels disrupts the physical condition of the body causing sever heal issues. Eventually most remember that they are 'nonhuman' due to the higher energy levels slowly weakening the seals. They do in fact have a human body but they do not have a human soul like 99% of the 'human' population. This is how we get extreme psychics. Keep in mind that not all psychics are other beings. It is rare."

If the 'soul' (spirit for me...) is non-human then to me this points to a possession situation... The spirit (soul) that should be having the 'Physical Experience' has been suppressed by the 'non-human' (original beings as you refer to them) this means to me that they have possessed the individual and it stands to reason that the individuals have "sever heal issues" (severe health issues I believe you mean) due to the fact they have been possessed. Possession, at least to me, is never a 'good' thing.

Then there is this statement...

"I will not go into the creation of humans, sense I have not met its creator."

I am very Curious about this comment. Are you inferring that you are one of these 'original beings' as you refer to them? As stated in my O/P the 'First Intelligence' is the one who Created the earth... This includes...Humans. Before Creating the Earth this 'First Intelligence' created 'spirits (souls) to 'be' with 'It'. Once the Earth was formed and Humans created he gave them the 'breath of life' by attaching a 'spirit (soul) ' to each so that they may experience a Physical Existence and by exercising 'Free Will' choose the 'Right' so that they may return and be with the 'First Intelligence' when their 'time is complete' on Earth. Those that make 'bad choices' return in another physical body (reincarnation) I could go on... But it begins to wax heavy into Religious Belief's and I try to be very neutral when it comes to that on this site.

Now I must say I've been to your profile... You mention nothing of your experiences nor your age... Nothing concerning your background that would promote any confidence that you may be able to offer advice / or aid anyone who may be looking for it... In fact all it says is...

"My name is Anat. I have many abilities. Nothing much else to it. If you have any questions, email me."

How is anyone to know what questions you may be able to answer? In my profile I've listed the things I have experience with, heck I even break down my 'posting name' so that others may understand 'what it means'...You said this in another comment of yours...

"This site was not made for debates. It was made for the purpose of helping others. People post and experience, others comment with advice. Thats all there is to it."

So what happens when individuals offer conflicting advice? Is it so wrong to 'debate' the advice... Compare and contrast everyone's answers so that the best advice can be shared? So that people can Learn from everyone's personal experiences Belief's and backgrounds? This is why I posted my experiences here and why I offer my advice, to help as many as possible and to perhaps learn something new. However that being said there are those that post here that seem Completely 'bent' on misdirecting others and I have always 'called them out'. That my friend will never change.

Respectfully,

Rook

P.S. Jav... I missed the argument in the last few comments myself... However me thinks a Salvo has been fired... Just Saying. 😉

Yes... I did in fact read your article... May thoughts are as fallows:

The universe was simply nothing but energy until it collected to form the first being. This you have correct. However his creations could also procreate and through that an entire family tree was formed. Its so elaborate that understanding it would take months.

The 'gods/goddesses' Are very much real. They are creations of the First being.

This 'Veil' is very much real, and when 'crossing' your memories are bound up by an energy seal produced by the veil. Others who are apart of the original beings have more then one seal to bind their energy. This is because the higher energy levels disrupts the physical condition of the body causing sever heal issues. Eventually most remember that they are 'nonhuman' due to the higher energy levels slowly weakening the seals. They do in fact have a human body but they do not have a human soul like 99% of the 'human' population. This is how we get extreme psychics. Keep in mind that not all psychics are other beings. It is rare.

I will not go into the creation of humans, sense I have not met its creator.
Is this a satisfactory post?
Anat
❤

This could be very interesting indeed! I love to learn, and this a great topic for doing just that!

[at] Aerial_Sars,
How you doin' kiddo?

Wow! Just look at all of us with all the brand new shiny names!
😆 😆 😆

Well, well this is a mighty intersting turnout...

Now that you have all posted on my humble personel belief's explination... How many of you folks actually read it? What do you actually think of it? Any and all feedback is welocme... So come on folks and I'm refering to Lyro, Anat, Shoalin, create_inspire_me and Aerial_Sars for the most part... What do you think of my 'how it all started' idea? Just Wondering.

Respectfully,

Rook

Anat,

Would your care to elaborate any more on your statement? I'm not sure which 'sore places' you are talking about?

This as been an interesting discussion between Shaolin and myself... We have kept it civil and I'm even the O/P so we are not being a distraction to others that have come here looking for information and or help... Heck our debate may even be providing just that for people.

If you have something to add, please do so. If not then please proceed to another experience and read on...

Respectfully,

Rook

Shaolin,

This is basically the definition of Enlightenment that I am referring to / referencing:

Enlightenment: the realization of spiritual or religious understanding, or, especially in Buddhism, the state attained when the cycle of reincarnation ends and human desire and suffering are transcended.

Based on this it is MY OPINION that Enlightenment can not be achieved via 'evil' works... As they cause suffering and human desire tends to be the 'driving' factor behind 'evil' (selfish) acts.

As far as your definitions of good and evil, those make sense to me. It's not as simple as all that but if you base your definition SOLELY on how they oppose each other then your definition makes some sort of sense.

Let's move on. You state... "many beings can and do create things based on their desires, whether or not they intend to. Look at the times humans create shadow beings from their negative emotions and desires to harm and corrupt."

To which times to you refer? In all of my experience I have never come across an 'encounter' where an entity was 'created' solely from an individuals negative emotions and desires. I am more inclined to believe that a negative entity was attracted to an individuals..."negative emotions and desires to harm and corrupt." Rather than created 'out of the blue'.

As far as what is possible on the Astral Plane, this is something I am familiar with. The 'physical laws' of the Astral Plane are different than those here in the Physical Realm and therefore many things MAY BE and CAN BE done there that CAN NOT be achieved here in our Physical Realm. So an Astral Being, on / in the Astral Plane, can be capable of changing their environment with a thought, and yet there are 'limitations' even in / on the Astral Plane because just as our Physical Realm has it 'rules' so to does the Astral Plane... It is also MY BELIEF that no matter what Plane / Realm / Dimension they all have there own 'rules' / 'limitations'. They may, and most likely are, different than what the Limitations of our Physical Realm are. Let's face it however they are 'Different' and it's not hard to believe they have different 'Physical Rules'.
If you are using this 'example' of the Astral Plane as an explination of your statement;

"Well, when the planes remerge, the war that was going on when it came up will resume, and those who have gained insight into real magic/psionics will be able to participate in a constructive way. I stress the importance of an open mind, no matter how much whatever anyone says goes against whatever any of you have ever believed is true, because the universe not only shifts in terms of reality, well there are those who realize they can create with nothing more than will."

Then you will have to explain more as I'm still not sure what point you were trying to make with the above statement... (Or am I just being dense?)

Respectfully,

Rook

Shaolin,

Thank you for your comments... Rest assured I am going to reply, though at this time I do not have the time to 'expound' upon things the way I wish to. I shall and when I do we will have a Merry Ol' Debate on matters.

I shall post again with-in a day or two. Thank you for your patience.

Respectfully,

Rook

Rook, being enlightened means they have figured out the ways of the universe. Since there is the possibility for both good and evil here, enlightenment can come from one or the other, or both. I understand enlightenment based on good brings more constructive productivity, but that's because of the fact there's more good entities than evil ones in this universe. As I have said before, my definition of good and evil is good creates, repairs, breeds constructive productivity, and works to bring down the works of evil. While evil destroys, negates, and works to bring down the works of good.

In regards to the second comment, many beings can and do create things based on their desires, whether or not they intend to. Look at the times humans create shadow beings from their negative emotions and desires to harm and corrupt. Creating with will alone is something any being with thoughts can and does do. Those who realize exactly how to do it, however, are the ones you should watch out for. Those beings can change their environments at any time, with nothing more than their will. If you do not believe me, I suggest you search the astral for very intelligent beings, then see how much of their thoughts create or change something, when they don't stop themselves.

First let me thank everyone who has posted here recently and I'd like to offer my apologies as well for not being able to reply sooner...I'll attempt to cover everything that folks have been talking about... If I miss someone, it's not on purpose, I'm just a bit slow sometimes...

Shaolin,

First let me say welcome back.

Lets get started... You said in your post on 20 May...

"The veil does not erase anything, it just acts as a "wall" which makes it harder to retrieve those memories. If they were erased, theyd no longer exist, and no one would know about their past lives."

In this you are correct, I used the term "erased" in a loose form of the word and that sentence went on to say... And I quote... "the Veil does 'erase' or 'blinds/blurs' our sight as to what exsists on the 'other side'." So there it is... We agree on somehthing...

Now on to your statement (quote) "because many beings fear a lot enlightened humans would be a threat to peace and stability. As we all know a lot of people have many ill intentions they would quickly carry out if they realized they have the power of will and forceful magic to do so."

This I do not agree with, if a person has become 'enlightened' then they have achieved 'peace and harmony' with themselves and indeed the 'World'. Enlightened does not mean 'connecting' to a Power of Will and using 'Magic' to carry out their intentions. If one is using 'will power' to 'effect' anything then they have moved away from 'true enlightenment' and they are only causeing harm to themselves and others.

Quoteing you:

"Well, when the planes remerge, the war that was going on when it came up will resume, and those who have gained insight into real magic/psionics will be able to participate in a constructive way. I stress the importance of an open mind, no matter how much whatever anyone says goes against whatever any of you have ever believed is true, because the universe not only shifts in terms of reality, well there are those who realize they can create with nothing more than will."

I quote you (above) and ask this... What are you trying to say here? I've read it more than a few times and it's still does not make any real sense to me. Could you please explain this a bit more?

Create_inspire_me,

Yes the veil keeps us from our 'pre-mortal' memories, how else could we learn from a 'mortal' experience...

In a way you are correct... It does keep us seperated from our 'perfected bodies' as this is the 'final step' the one that there is no 'return' from... Once our Spirit is Perfected there are no more 'return trips' (past lifes) no more 'trial and error' learning experiences. Our Spirital Mind can now join with our Perfected Body and Cross Over and be with the 'Creator'.

These are my personel views, and I want to thank everyone for commenting here and allowing for an Open and Honest discussion and debate...let's keep it going...

Respectfully,

Rook

Rook,
I finally get it! Your reply to EternalBlackDragon made things fall into place for me. I know that it takes patience to deal with all of my running theories about things, and I thank you for that patience.
I don't, for instance, believe any of these other wild notions hold any water. The idea that that veil will be removed, dissolved, or come crashing down are a complete misrepresentation of what you've explained here. Which, to me, makes perfect sense. Each person's distance from the veil is different, and thankfully so. It stands to support our individuality from each other, and our connection to each other at the same time.
I'd be interested in reading your original that you wrote out in word, if you've still got it. You've sparked my interest now.
Thank you for being the patient and caring person that you are, and I'm proud to call you my friend.

Walking away with a smile on my face,
Jav

Pretty sure the veil's collapse won't lead to human enlightenment, as enlightenment is gained almost solely by gaining knowledge and wisdom... Human souls wouldn't be directly affected by the veil, either, except for the ability to perceive beings a bit better, as there would be no veil to 'hide' them...

However, the veil will allow for certain others to use their abilities more freely, and will also allow for the actual "reality" to be "unveiled".

Reality is subject to change, though that doesn't mean an illusion of a particular reality can't be placed.

That is all for now.

Je ne vois qu'infini par toutes les fenetres.

WOW! Now this makes me feel sick that their are others likely as crazy as me... But never the less, let me warn you all that if anyone or anything tries to... Well in simple tries to get knowledge on Him... Well this "Him" is selfish enough to make them mad or those person go mad them-self well... So as of warning is done 😉 now the statement of my research: this being we are talking about is kind of like all there is, like the statement "One is All;All is One"... He/She/It whatever is, is the only Truth & to get to know Him well will put our gray-matters to test; well this universe is all a test of His to us, don't know why yet; like in an examination well don't need to remember where we learn the answers from but we only need to know the answer to the required question... That where this "veil" thingy y-a guys are talking about come from... Well I have a lot more to speak & a lot more to research on but as a foolish being I need ma sleep... Oh & we aint His recreational image as someone stated above He is All as I stated above; He is, in simple & bold way has no form but a mass... Well a huge mass... Nah, infinity energy just that with all the knowledge there is in simple fact... But we don't know so more research to do... & Shaolin your "veil" theory is correct... Well I might put it as absolutely not in-correct but correct in a way... So I might as well as say "keep it up!" 😐... Anyway smell y-a all later 😉

Well, when the planes remerge, the war that was going on when it came up will resume, and those who have gained insight into real magic/psionics will be able to participate in a constructive way. I stress the importance of an open mind, no matter how much whatever anyone says goes against whatever any of you have ever believed is true, because the universe not only shifts in terms of reality, well there are those who realize they can create with nothing more than will.

I personally would like to see the veil crash down because it would mean freedom for me, and luckily, if someone breaks the veil I'm good unlike most people.

What exactly do you know of the veil?

The veil, as many of the people I talk to have realized, is manufactured. A sort of construct which is meant to do exactly what it does, keep the bulk of humanity from achieving enlightenment, because many beings fear a lot enlightened humans would be a threat to peace and stability. As we all know a lot of people have many ill intentions they would quickly carry out if they realized they have the power of will and forceful magic to do so.

I would have to agree with Shaolin

The veil is a substance that keeps us... Under control. It's a wall or a leash.

If the veil drops, then we get all our powers and memories back, if it's up and running strong, you're going to have to search extremely hard and practice to get those memories, and abilities up to pare. BUT, even if you do accomplish this feat, you won't be able to go to your true form because the veil is stopping you.
^___^

I hope I don't have any typos, I'm pretty exhausted today.

The veil does not erase anything, it just acts as a "wall" which makes it harder to retrieve those memories. If they were erased, theyd no longer exist, and no one would know about their past lives.

Rook,
I need to apologize for that mess over there on aia's story. It wasn't my intention to make the tensions worse, but obviously I did. It won't happen again, promise.
I was still feeling a bit bruised about what happened at YGS recently and I made a very bad decision by coming here. Like I said, it was not a conscious decision to start a big row. It looked like it was over anyway, another wrong assumption on my part.
I hope you aren't too upset with me, but I don't blame you if you are.
Peace Brother.
Deane (Jav)
😢

EternalBlackDragon,

The Veil: (as I see it...) a term I use to describe the 'barrier' between the physical world and the spirit world. It does not bind to 'us' nor to our 'souls' but 'stands as a division between 'realms'.

As far as premortal memories go, you are correct, the Veil does 'erase' or 'blinds/blurs' our sight as to what exsists on the 'other side'.

New-borns and those near death can 'see/feel' things across this veil. This is due to how 'close' they are to it or how far they are from crossing it. As a child grows they 'learn physical limitations' and the veil 'thickens' makeing it harder, if not impossible to see across. In some instances however an individual does not have their 'third eye' closed in this manner and in other cases people study and 're-learn'/develope their ability to see across it.

Other abilities are also 'dampened/blocked' by the veil...Empathy, Clairvoyance are a couple of these. This happens so that our Spirits (Souls) can learn from a physical experience. There are those who 'remember' things from the 'other side' so that they may help others on this side. There are also those who 'remember' and yet choose to 'harm'. There are even those who choose to lead us either towards Enlightenment or away from it.

Personally I believe in a Creator (Heavenly Father) and His Son (Jesus Christ) and that while on this Earth we are here to experience a physical life and to 'Choose the Right' so that when we are done with our 'physical experience' we may return to live with Them. I do not 'preach' this to the masses as it is mearly my place to point the way... Not to drag people 'kicking and screaming' to the 'Light'. It doesn't work that way... So may times I offer my answers in 'non-religious' but 'common sense' terms.

I hope this helps explain things. Please feel free to ask any other questions you may have. If you want my 'Religious Answers' we can do this via e-mail...unless the MODS approve of me answering in such a matter here on my 'story'. Then I'll Happily answer them here so everyone can read them and take what they will from the answers.

Respectfully,

Rook

EternalBlackDragon,

Thank you for you intrest in this topic. I shall endevour to answer you when I have the time to do so. Please bear with me and I will answer sooner than later.

Respectfully,

Rook

I'd actually like to hear your unedited version of this, or rather a much more detailed explanation because this whole topic interests me. But I might have a few questions right now just to satisfy my curiosity.

The veil that you speak of, what is it exactly? Is it a field that binds to each of us, a thing to stall the memories of our lives outside of our bodies or does it bind to our soul and is only released when we crossover to this other side? Does our connection with this "source" (I'd like to refer to this first intelligence as such) allow us to override this veil? Is the veil meant to keep us away from the source, or rather does the veil have any other purpose?

How would you say one could connect to the source (if at all possible)? Is it through meditation and controlling of our own energy that contains part of this source? (I expect there to be multiple ways but maybe outlying someways if you have found some ways to).

This source (as I have been referring to it as such for consistence) is it like the "general will" but for the whole universe (Descartes definition of the "general will" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_will).

Thank you for your time.

~EBD

bbdeathspark,

No my young friend it is NOT the same... Do not let someone put words in your mouth. Say what you mean and mean what you say.

Question things and research the answers you are given, it's the only way to really find the truth.

Now on to other matters...

Shoalin...

If your in the mood to clarify things... You have not adressed my question about 'Intelligent Nature'...Could you please do so?

All this banter back and forth is 'fun' and all but in the interest of research and understanding please answer the question...

Respectfully,

Rook

Actually, I said I didn't know it sounded that way, but all the same, I guess... XD.

I am merely clarifying that what he said looked like an assumption I have "not experience... But power," to the untrqined eye, I was trying to prevent misunderstandings while hoping he'd rethink what he was saying. Matter of fact, I talk to him and he did admit he shouldn't have said it that way.

Shaolin,

I am speaking (writing) to you... And how you... YOU worded things... Are you now 'posting' as someone/something else? Please be clear as I want to ensure I address the proper questions to the 'correct' being.

I'm not sure I understand this part of your answer, so could you please clarify?

I do hope you take the time to answer my other question... The one about 'intelligent nature' as I'd really would like to hear your definition of that as well.

Respectfully,

Rook

Shaolin,
That is your name, correct? Hmm... So, I guess you put him on a pedestal too? Eric, I mean. Wow, I never expected that. Boy, that explains it.
Sorry, my question will have to wait until later. Sorry to have bothered you.
Gotta run.

Hehe, no threat, the way he worded it sort of looked like he was thinking I had no experience just power. I'd have to have experience with this universe to know that eric was deeply connected with concepts he could twist ever so slightly and mess up natural order in a very defined way.

Shaolin,

I'll quote you from the other thread...

"Bookdygin, I know you didn't know this, which is no problem, but bbdeathspark and I talk all the time, and that comment was a friendly ribbing, not a challenge:P"

I could tell that you knew him prior to that thread... The comment still came across 'To Me' as... Not as you have said, a challenge, but as a threat... If I misunderstood, you have my apologies.

Respectfully,

Rook

It's Rook...Rook...you know like the Bird...

Anyway...

Interesting...

Can you define... "intelligent nature" in more detail?

To me intelligent nature would denote some type of thinking 'being'...from the smallest creature with the instinct to survive all the way up to... Well mankind and...beyond. So please could you define what you mean?

Respectfully,

Rook

Bookdygin, you are correct in everything, except one, this universe was not created by a being, it was a natural formation, which a certain void being tries to take credit for creating. In your mention of the flow of spirits to the physical and back, across the void, take the part about it being a being they come from and go back to, to being a natural forming complexity of yes, intelligent nature.

I understand where you are coming from Rook. It is good that you have tried to bring information on how it all began. It did indeed helped.

It is so confusing to me at times also because we have been so heavily influenced by many religious and scientific beliefs and dogmas. Some true, and others false.

I pray that we come closer and closer to the TRUTH of it all.

Oh and your definition of Elohim in another thread is 'right on the money'... Thanks for the feed back, I hope this brings a small amount of understanding to people...

Respectfully,

Rook

Rashidah,

To be completely honest I'm not sure 'how it all started'.

With that being said this hypothesis is something I've developed over the years that attempts to reconcile science with the ancient religious histories.

It may not be correct, but if it brings an 'understanding' to people, allows them to develop their 'abilities' because they 'grasp' the interconnectedness of... Well of all Creation. Then I've done a small part in bringing everyone closer together, and that gives me a 'warm fuzzy feeling' that I can deal with. 😁

I have met my Spirit Guide, I've seen my Guardian Angel (different entities) and I am familiar with my Spirit Animal. I have never asked my Guide, 'How it all began' I have always focused on 'learning' how to better use my 'abilities' to help others and to figure out 'where' I'm supposed to be to best do this. 😉

Respectfully,

Rook

I am of the opinion that there are other creator beings out there and that we may have the ability to create also. After all, God did form us in His image and likeness.

Ok now to ask some questions here. I will start off with this.

After reading your account, are you saying that God was formed from the big bang?

Please correct me if I was off here.

Oh drat I am now reading this story. It sucks that my computer was busted.

Well better late than never.

I thank you for this information ❤

AnandaHya,

I thank you for your thoughts on this matter and respect your point of view on it as well.

This is one of those areas that we may never get the full answer until we 'cross over' and return to 'Heavenly Father'...or perhaps we managed to earn a trip in the other direction and we end up 'kicking ourselves in the %$#' as we see the 'TRUTH' of things. 😲

Thanks for the feedback.

Anybody else?

Respectfully,

Rook

sorry Rook, but that is how I incorporate the two science and spirituality/religion: through the dual aspect of GOD = father/mother and day/night Matter/energy.

I don't claim to have the answers either, just wanted to share my working hypothesis with you. I thought you would understand the incorporation of both the material/fleshy world and the spiriitual world in the presence of a photon.

AnandaHya,

This was not meant as a 'Biblical' break down of 'How it all began', rather it is a 'basic theory' (my basic theory) of how it could of began that parallels both science and 'religious' accounts.

I do not know the answers to this, I know what feels 'Right' for me. I know that focusing on this 'universe' allows me to channel my thoughts, and abilities in a manner that allows me to HELP others. Please see 'Notes Between Friends' for an example of how this works for me and how I go about 'things'.

(http://www.psychic-experiences.com/real-psychic-story.php?story=6298)

Thank you for your comments.

Respectfully,

Rook

sorry to link it back to the "universe" discussion. I'm not sure where it all started or how, I'm still working on how THIS solar system works and how we can encourage humans to stop fighting amoungst ourselves long enough to develop a space program to explore the rest of the universe.

People get mad at me when I point out that GOD might be protecting us from the rest of the universe and that is why they haven't "made contact" yet.

Perhaps when we have peace and are ready for it?

interesting read. I interpet the first few chapters of the Bible differently.

First I should say that I think the Bible describes the Creation of this WORLD or Solar system or perhaps galaxy, not the ENTIRE universe.

I believe that God created things before and is still creating beings and worlds now.

We "rest" on the seventh day but we go back to work on the next day.

Just a thought. But I think that God created a lot more before They got around to us. (we can discuss the "they" aspect later: how can two entities be one? Marriage?)

I believe the 7 day or yom scenario describes the creation of EDEN. Which Adam and Eve are kicked out of. EDEN is considered the prototype for the images of Heaven.

In the Bible Adam and Eve were unclothed. There are other references where mystics go "unclothed" which I believe means OBE or without flesh.

Before the fall people feasted on the energy of PLANTS alone and had no flesh.

After eating of the fruit they tried to weave themselves some material bodies by destroying God's creation. We continue to do so today.

When we are born into the world, what "clothes" does God gives us? Human flesh that can experience disease, death and old age. The spirit can experience none of these in Heaven or Eden if you prefer that name.

What is original sin?

Eating of the forbidden fruit? Or refusing to take responsiblity for the action? Refusing to admit to their wrong doing and blaming others? Refusing to ask for forgiveness and falling on God's mercy?

Just so you might comprehend how my mind works and how I read the Bible and see the universe. There are two worlds superimposed: the material that most see with the naked eye and the spiritual that can be seen with the hearts eye and through the divine gift from God.

No, Lone Wolfe. It was a discussion spark. I thought it was pretty cool, myself, as I really did not think too much about it until the question was asked.
I, for one, thank you for causing me to THINK. I just LOVE that!

I think it makes sense... I think the sooner we can explore the possibilities of life and where it started... Without being hit over the head with a stick or accused of being possessed, the sooner we may actually unravel the truth about life and its eternal connection to the universe... Heads up!

Maybe I should apologize for asking questions that have no solid answers but I wasn't expecting "ironclad" answers, only opinions. Thank you Rook and whitebuffalo for your answers.

This MAY be a "way out there"...
But I look at is as if this space we inhabit, at one point, was a huge vacuum. A black hole, if you will. Everything was, though, and not just the random holes that dot our Universal Home.
According to Physics, and Wikipedia, "A perfect vacuum would be one with no particles in it at all, which is impossible to achieve in practice."
..."Which is impossible to achieve in practice."
And " The effects of vacuum energy can be observed in various phenomena such as spontaneous emission, the Casimir effect, the Van-Der Waals bonds and the Lamb shift, and are thought to influence the behavior of the Universe on cosmological scales."
THAT would cause me to think on the possibility of two particles of energy gliding together in a graceful, but unorchestrated, implosion or explosion (depending on your views of those particles of energy) creating... Life force.
Personally, I subscribe to a bit of the Creation/Evolution/Bang thought. I find it more logical, for ME, to see the progression of the Races. But then, I am always willing to look at new ideas!
Thank you for sharing this, Rook

Hey Rook, I was good with the first one. Don't feel alone in your radio listening habits, I love coast to coast. I never know what I'm going to get until I tune in, it could be anything. But always interesting.

When it comes to the Big Bang it's the same old question of 'What came first... The Chicken or the Egg?'

If there was nothing, how did it 'explode'? Who 'lit the fuse?'

If there was an 'Intelligence'...where did 'it' come from...

I must listen to way to much of the Radio talk show Coast to Coast, they have various Physicists on every once in awhile and they talk about all kinds of theroies, and it has been put forth that 'the nothing that was before anything pressed inward against itself so hard that it 'expoloded'...at least that is how I understood it.

Some people hold to other ideas... Perhaps something like this one fits better... Our universe is the 'back side' of a parallel universe and our 'Big Bang' was the reverse side of one of 'their' black holes'?

The 'how' of it I try not to think about, the 'how we are all connected' is what I do focus on. The energy came from some where to be sure, we are part of it and it is a part of us.

Does that make things 'clearer'?

Respectfully,

Rook

Why thank you for that, moonshine. I don't know what to tell you Lone_Wolfe, I guess it all comes down to faith in the end. But heck, works for me!

I found a good link:
Http://www.big-bang-theory.com/

Didn't answer any questions though, but makes for interesting reading.

😆 😆

Of course I've heard of the Big Bang Theory, who hasn't? My question was and still is how can nothing explode? I'm not questioning whether or not something exploded, apparently something did but what? Something had to be there to explode-nothing can't explode- what was it and where did it come from? Also if "GOD" was created AFTER the Big Bang, who put the stuff there to explode? Does this mean there may be a higher "GOD" than the one we call God/Yahweh/Jehovah?

Again these are just questions meant for discussion, not challenges.

Rook,
Well of course. It makes perfect sense to me. Nice telling of our beginnings, I must say that you do give it a certain poetic feel. And guys, you have heard of the 'Big Bang Theory'? Right?

Lone_Wolfe,

Thanks for the comment...

I have been trying to wrap my brain around that for years... And this is what has 'emerged' from trying to marry science and religion into something that makes a bit of sense...

The story of Creation seems to center around a 'void' a 'nothingness' if you will, so many creation stories from around the world, different cultures, different religions all tell the same tail.

(Example)

In the King James version... From Genisis Chapter 1...

1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

It's great, These things were created, but where did this 'creator' come from... What was there 'before' the heaven and the earth?

I have just had to take a deep breath accept that it all started some where, some how.

What I do believe is we are all connected by a form of energy, it's what makes up the Cosmos and comprises us, we are part of it, it is a part of us and because of this 'interactivity' we are able to 'tap' into it. Some people more than others...

Does this 'answer' your question or cause more?

Respectfully,

Rook

Oh true, I had that question too. I was wondering how the "Boom" XD, came about out of nothingness. Is it like a reaction...? And when I say that I mean, you said nothingness going/pressing into itself, but how?

Thank you old friend for a very interesting read. My first question, please regard this as a question and not a "challenge",is: You say that God/First Intelligence was created by the big bang out of... "Empty void, Nothingness pressing in on itself until"... My question is how can nothingness explode?