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Notes Between Friends

 

In light of recent discussions on this site that I've watched with interest, but haven't partaken in, I would like to present some timely correspondence between a friend and myself. I ask that the moderators please leave the messages in their original form, as I feel it lends credence. Please note that permission has been granted by all whose names appear, the only one who can't give permission was changed.

Ginny December 27, 2010 at 8:54pm

Hi Rook! Hope your Christmas was great...Hey, I have a favor to ask of you. My son Brandon has what he feels to be an entity around him. He feels it to be a friend of his who passed away a few years ago. I was wondering if you could possibly do a view for him? I've already asked him if it's ok and he said yes. Do you need more info, or would you rather get your own impressions?

Garret McGee December 28, 2010 at 7:02am

I'd rather my own impressions... Makes for better validation points. Give me through the New Year... Busy at work... Busy with Family... But I'll fit it in...

Ginny December 28, 2010 at 7:44am

That'll be great... I totally understand the busy stuff... I haven't been on as much as I'd like to be... But hey, life happens, right? LOL

Garret McGee January 1 at 2:43am

Validation Points:

Red T-Shirts, Blue jean shorts...

Sandy Blond hair (on the 'darker side of that color description)

7-9 years old? (not so sure on that one... If not physical age then possible learning disability or like my youngest ADHD and just 'acts' younger than actual age)

And not so clear on this one but a name that sounds like Sean or John.

If I'm 'on target' then your son is correct... His friend just wants to say goodbye and is a bit 'frustrated' that he can not be understood. Nor does he completely understand why he has to say goodbye... He just 'knows' he has to.

Ginny January 1 at 7:15am

Rook, you're right on with the clothes, hair color, John is my daughter's fiance, (their household consists of my son Brandon, son JR and his girl, Leslie and John AND the two grand-daughters! Quite a full house, no? LOL)...So I can understand the representation of someone younger, they are a goofy lot!...

Another interesting point: John is Leslie's FATHER's name... He passed before she was born... You may have picked up on his presence also, as he does love to hang around with the grand babies...

Also, from what I understand, there a few presences with them... One may be pestering my son JR's girl, one that has taken a liking to JR (followed him from our old house LOL), my daughter's dad, and of course Paul the friend hanging with Brandon...Sorry, probably should have clued you in on all of that LOL!...

I'll let him know your findings, and we'll see if we can help Paul find some peace... Thanks a BUNCH... Oh yeah, I have to confirm it with Brandon, but I think the name "Sean" was Paul's little brother, who passed a year or so before him... He was 9 or 10, he had a disease of some kind, I can't remember what... Those poor parents, lost both of their sons within two years of each other... Paul was murdered, shot in the back, as he tried to get away from the attackers, and left to die on the side of the road... Brandon feels guilty about it, as he asked him to go to the movies that night and Brandon declined...

Anyway thanks again...We'll see what we can do...

Garret McGee January 1 at 1:27pm

Is it possible to 'copy and post this' or would that be a 'breech of faith?'

Or could you post this whole thing... Just to see who's really listening over there?

Respectfully,

Garret

Ginny January 2 at 3:27am

I asked Brandon if we could post it and he said ok... Just a few more interesting points: Paul's little brother had a brain tumor and although he was 13/14 when he passed, the tumor slowed his progress, and he did in fact, act a lot younger... His name wasn't "Sean", so I think you picked up on the presence of Leslie's dad...There's more to this, but I have to get ready for work...I'll give it a try when I get home...

Garret McGee January 2 at 7:18am Report

Thank...and let's tell the whole story... Up to and including my assistance from long distance (heh, I made a rhyme) Thank you and Thank Brandon for me...

Ginny January 2 at 5:29pm

Rook, what I can do is copy all of these to a clipboard, put it on my computer as a file, then submit it as a story... But first let me tell you the other interesting points...

Brandon was here visiting me yesterday, and I showed him our messages... I thought the part about the clothing related to HIM... Not so... He is friends with Paul's father on facebook, and he went to his site and pulled up some pics that the dad has of his two boys... In many, (not just a few as these are pics as the boys were growing) the younger one is dressed in none other than a red t-shirt and blue jean shorts... His favorite choice of clothing, apparently LOL!...So this leads me to believe that it's not just Paul, he's here with his brother?...Any thoughts, insights, opinions or "woman you're crazy"'s?...Are they both unable to move on, or is the brother there for support?...Or here's a thought: when Paul passed, his brother came for him, and is having a hard time getting him to come to the light WITH him?...Cue the "Twilight Zone" music again! LOL

Once again, I thank you... This has been bugging Brandon for a very long time, and I think he needs to know he's not crazy, from someone other than Mommy!...

Oops one more thing: Twice, he has been told "it's you", once by a spirit voice, and once by what I can only speculate to have been a solidified shadow person... See the Loonie Bin's discussion board... Could this be what they mean, he's the one to help Paul cross over?

Garret McGee January 2 at 6:07pm

Brandon, being the age he is... Is closer to the veil and better able to feel his friend, and thus he can be the one to help him cross over.

Your right, brother is trying to help brother, but the one who passed 'suddenly' can't believe he's 'gone' and won't cross over. The 'Shadow Person' is an 'elder', as you pointed out, that has only been able to muster the 'energy' to manifest in 'shadow form' and is trying to have Brandon assist them it telling Paul it's time to go. The next time Brandon feels his friends presence have him either visit the 'grave site' or perhaps have pictures of the 'grave site' that he can lay out and 'show'...this may allow 'Paul' to connect to his own passing...

It seems you don't really need my help, you have your answers, follow your Heart... When it comes to Family it's that 'voice within' that allows you to 'know' what right or wrong...

Ginny Jan. 3 at 8:05pm

Just a followup note: The activity in Brandon, Leslie and JR's apartment has increased dramatically since Dec. 31st, and specially yesterday, Jan.2nd... I'm trying to get the full story on that stuff too, so I can submit it to YGS... It could be related to our correspondence, or something else that was going on with Shelby's (JR's girl) friend...Cool, HUH?

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ChaosandOrder (1 stories) (11 posts)
 
8 years ago (2011-11-02)
Thanks for replying back, I like to run into others who have similar beliefs as mine (it makes me feel a lot less crazy).

I am glad that he was able to help and I hope that all goes well on the anniversary.
zzsgranny (2 stories) (40 posts)
 
8 years ago (2011-11-02)
ChaosandOrder: I'm so sorry for the late reply, I don't get to this site very often as I moderate the sister site of yourghoststories.com...

Rook is a very dear friend, and always willing to help... This helped my son so much, just to know he wasn't being followed by a dark presence... He has finally come to terms with the guilt he had about not going to the movies with Paul that night...It's been 5 years since Paul's death, I believe next week... Brandon and I are going to visit the scene of the crime (he doesn't know this yet LOL) on the anniversary and see what happens...

Thank you for reading and commenting!
ChaosandOrder (1 stories) (11 posts)
 
8 years ago (2011-10-31)
First off thanks for this posting! My mind likes to hear of confirmations because I am still battling a childhood of misinformation and trying to redirect my beliefs and these types of stories help a lot.

Another idea that has formed since reading all of the comments:
Shadow beings may be seen by our eyes as shadows, because they absorb light and don't reflect it like physical objects seen by our eyes. This could then be reversed and that some beings emanate light and are considered light beings or angels, but some may be dark energies that are reflecting light off of them because they are not able to absorb the light.

Just a thought that formed.
ChaosandOrder (1 stories) (11 posts)
 
8 years ago (2011-10-31)
AnandaHya

I haven't yet read all the comments, but I just glanced at yours being the last and you spoke about the shadow beings not all being bad and then a p.s. About a movie or book... Have you ever seen the movie Ink? It could be interpreted along those lines. Enjoy!

I will continue reading the comments now. I just didn't want to loose my train of thought.
AnandaHya (guest)
 
9 years ago (2011-01-15)
i think people are to quick to label anything that they don't understand as demonic. I think there are very few shadows that are actually "evil" at least in my book. I think most serve a role to keep this world functioning and balanced, we just don't always understand what they do or why. But we could ask and sometimes they answer and other times they are too busy with their jobs to stop and answer us. Appearances are deceiving. However I do believe that there are negative entities in the world, I don't know what causes them but you see the result in how people react. They cause ignorance, pride, greed, selfishness, arrogance, unfounded anger (not there is justified and righteous anger when you see evil) hatred. We as humans are suppose to fight against those things and not each other. Emotions can be used as a guide to how those around us are feeling if you have the empathic ability and shows what darkness is plague their life so you can bring some light into it and balance it out. Some things they will have to fight for themselves but some they will need help with.

At least that is what I think. What are your thoughts?

PS. I was thinking a video game or Science fiction book but movie might work...
aussiedaz (2 stories) (37 posts)
+2
9 years ago (2011-01-15)
You know S.P terrifys plenty and I would really like to work out what's going on... I'm leaning strongly toward mind over a matter as a way to combat it... But what causes it?...now when I was with Brandon down south, I had a couple of obe experiences which I couldn't be bothered sharing mate, cause they can be common... On the way home I was thinking about them and my story night demon or nightmare... So you see where I'M heading?...I may of planted the experience just by thinking about it AND demons... Which relates back to one of your previous comments... And my own theory that our sub conscious in a effort to evolve and learn retraces and projects our conscious thoughts on a daily basis... I feel strongly we exist with two states of mind... One that dies eventually and one that goes on into the spiritual realm... Both serve a purpose to each other and for a higher source... Join me in using some reverse psychology... I want to experience s.p its so much fun... Mind over matter 😁
zzsgranny (2 stories) (40 posts)
+3
9 years ago (2011-01-15)
Aussie and Cosmo: No really, we have to submit that script to SOMEBODY!...WE CAN MAKE MILLIONS! 😆...Or at least enough to hold a "Loonie" convention here in Vegas!...

Aussie: I am such a chicken sh*t when it comes to S.P...I think because one of my phobias is the fear of smothering, and that's what it feels like to me... I hate to even watch movies where someone is drowning, or buried alive, or being smothered...AAHHH, gives me chills and freaks me out...But, my kids just go with it, until it works itself out...They're a lot more ballsy than me LOL 😆...

And I do understand about the way some people classify every haunting or paranormal experience as "demons" or "demon infestation"...Just ain't so my friend, we know better, right?...And your Christmas tree falling over?...Wow, and I thought my ghosties were being poops by just breaking ornaments!...

Cosmo: I'm still trying to get Leslie to put together their experiences, but once she does, she'll post it on YGS...I'm afraid Paul is still hanging out, they can't seem to get to the cemetary where Paul's ashes are intered, so they can get a picture of it... I think Mod Granny has to do the drivin'...Think we'll all fit on the pink scooter?...

Ananda: Here's my theory, as well as other posters, about what "shadow people" are...

They are spirits who don't have the energy to manifest completely... Just like people, spirits have personalities, so yes, some may give off a negative vibe, but I think a lot of the fear comes from the PERCEPTION of "dark" or "black" being considered a negative color...I've never heard of sightings of the "white hat man", or "white hooded being", although I think they would probably exist, if the energy source were strong enough... Nor do any accounts include "blue" or "green" eyes, etc, but I think they probably do have other than "red" eyes...

As far as having a role in maintaining world order?...Not sure what you mean by that, but as far as the most commonly seen shadow beings, ie: hat man, hooded guy, I believe they are "watchers" for other entities, of this world or the spirit realm... Can you see the ad in "The Celestial Gazette"?..."Hat man or hooded guy for hire! Let US keep an eye on your project!" LOL... 😆
aussiedaz (2 stories) (37 posts)
+3
9 years ago (2011-01-14)
Well cosmogal... Thats why we take turns posting our stories remember... LOL 😆 I want a leading role in the next one, me and my agent were a little upset on the last one, that all the focus was on young Dan...😆 and I want my own trailer, I'm not sharing one with chuckie and mickie next time... 😆

P.s Dan your a champ.
cosmogal926 (3 stories) (73 posts)
+4
9 years ago (2011-01-14)
Did somebody say they wanted to make a movie? LOL! 😆 You know I can never look at Chucky or Micky the same way again after that. 😉 I really have to apologize because I read this story when it posted thought it was amazing was going to comment then totally forgot. 😳 sorry. Wow I was very impressed Rook, how you were able to point out specifics like that. Granny, I am glad you were able to get the help that Brandon needed to find out what was going on. I am sorry that he lost his friend, it is very hard to lose one of your peers. Some say it's harder to accept than when a person passes from old age, or illness. I hope he is doing well, and that his friend is at peace now.
aussiedaz (2 stories) (37 posts)
+2
9 years ago (2011-01-14)
Granny I guess its ok to backslap you for your last comment, as we are not making a movie on this thread...😆 lol... I think you summed it up pretty well...ex;...last year my xmas tree fell over and shortly before I heard a loud bang just before it did... Trav at the same time from another room saw something whizing down the hallway...now! Heres what your saying... I chose to believe it was my mother and as I went to bed that night I slept well...Now!...had I believed it was a demon Trav and I probably would have been hiding under the blankets tossing and jumping with all the natural elements around us... I think when people go down the road of demon theories they open up a whole new can of worms and the power of the mind combined with the fear factor creates some anxieties and illusions associated from conscious concept...

Interestingly a couple of nights ago... I was in a rem state between sleep and felt someone sit on my bed... Then they sat on me and I felt pinned to the bed...honestly, I found the experience interesting... As for the last 12 months I have been advising others on s.p...I had an opportunity to put my own theories to the test... First of all I couldn't laugh one of the things I were advising... But what I knew I had to do was get myself out of rem state... Basically gain some conscious control of my thoughts and situation... It took about 3 seconds but I was able to wake up and have total control of my situation...now! Was that a demon? No I believe it was an illusion of mind that caused my paralysis... And since then I have slept well and you know something... I kind of hope I have it again cause I'm interested in trying to better understand it... Sounds crazy hey 😆 but I am a loonie keep that in mind... 😁
AnandaHya (guest)
-1
9 years ago (2011-01-13)
the element idea would be hard to test but the shadows hypothesis I think is testable through a few spiritual experiments.

For example Buddhist and biblical scripture say to offer all spirits/people love and compassion. I purpose that if this tenet is applied to a scary encounter with shadow people, perhaps people's "veil" will be lifted and they will se them for the beings they truly are instead of imposing our thoughts or preconceptions on our reality we will be able to SEE beings that help keep the planet running and alive?

At least it works for me and those are the beings I call angels: the entities in this world that make plants grow and animals care for each other and connect emotionally to one another, easing each others pain, etc.

What does everyone else experience?

Thoughts, words and perceptions can be spiritual swords that cuts through the illusion our minds would have us see into the reality that everyone preceives as a joint collective. If only one person experiences it, then it can be dismissed but if more than one agree on the same experience then it enter the realm of possible reality. If the theory is tested over and over again and proved to be sound then it is a scientific theory or hypothesis. Science is based on ideas, words, and thoughts shared by a collective looking for repeatable answers. Therefore unless others can repeat the experiment and get the same results constantly then the hypothesis is rejected as false. Science never PROVES anything it just suggested the most probably course of action. Therefore feel free to propose your hypothesis on the reality of the spirit world and its innate rules.

1. Everyone seems to agree one: Karma
zzsgranny (2 stories) (40 posts)
+1
9 years ago (2011-01-13)
Ananda: In my opinion, there are only four elements... All the others that have been sited here in discussions, when disected, are combinations of two or more of the original four... Lightening or electricity, for example, is a combination of matter (earth) and fire (heat generated from friction)...Light cannot be an element unto itself, as it is a byproduct of the "fire" of the sun... Therefore dark, being the opposite of light, can't be an element either, as it is an absense of light, and so void...Etc., but you get my drift...

Shadow people, on the other hand... We all have theories... And until someone can come up with concrete proof of their purpose, I'm afraid I would only fall into the "conjecture" catagory when explaning my beliefs as to what they are... I honestly think though, that they are what we make them...IE: If you feel you're being followed by demons, they'll seem evil; if you feel you need a message from beyond, they'll seem like a guardian; if you feel that you're missing someone, they'll seem like watchers..."All in the perception", a quote from a good friend...

Hummmm, a cure for paranoid schizophrenia?...I think all too often, gifted people are branded with this diagnosis... Not to say that no-one is in such a mental state, I just think sometimes doctors are too quick to prescribe the "majic pill" that'll make all the voices disappear...

My opinions, would like to hear others...
AnandaHya (guest)
 
9 years ago (2011-01-13)
I think many people call the different entities that control spirit energy different names. I was wondering if Rook or someone had a list of various ones besides the 7 elements already discussed?

Has anyone looked closer at the "shadows" and seen what purpose they play in maintaining world order?

For example I see spirits associated with all living things like plants, animals and even sun and moonbeams, Do people have names for those entities? Does anyone else see them? Is it possible to bring the discussion and focus of the site back to the scientific exploration of the psychic world?

Noam Chomsky's book "On language" is an attempt to scientifically document the use of language and its affect on the world. For example the use of propganda and how it can cause usually sane and moral individuals to commit heinous acts like genocide.

Perhaps the site could help bring the psychic experience back into the realm of science?

That is the real reason I even bothered to post here, because my mother said there was lost knowledge that the dead Cambodian monks could have cured my mentally ill father of paranoid schrophenia or "seeing things that aren't there" So when the spirits of those dead monks started talking to me, I thought I'd share and see what people thought of the ideas. In order to see if there was any sound scientific basis for the ideas and it they could help cure mentally ill patients. Eastern medicine talkes about the mind and spirit, while western medicine is great for the material body. I've been studying since high school how the two interact and was hoping to find people interested in discussing the spirit world scientifically. Please email or instant message me if you want to have a mature in depth intelligent conversation.

I know off topic but I thought the story should be bumped up because it is one that has varifiable proof that is essential in making this a scientific study versus just theory and conjecture and "opinions" I think we need to test it. Religion and science used to be intertwined for a reason. They used to be the search for the truth. Not just delusions of grandeur and comforting thoughts.
zzsgranny (2 stories) (40 posts)
+1
9 years ago (2011-01-07)
Sparky, thanks you for replying to my question. 😊 I agree with you, we don't KNOW the limits of our own species' mental capabilities. But our bodies are limited, so sometimes, what we think we may be able to do in this realm cannot possibly happen, as we are limited by our physical bodies. Just my opinion. ❤
RookDygin (5 stories) (324 posts)
+1
9 years ago (2011-01-07)
bbdeathspark,

While you are right, we do not know all the limits of the human body... I see things all the time that make me go? Huh? How'd they do that... And yet I still feel...I'll say it again I...I...I still...

"Do not feel any one person here in the Physical Realm can control the Weather, Or any of the Elements... Because our physical bodies are limited... Limited in the amount of energy they can 'control/summon/conduct/use' say it however you want to."

You are correct about the Elements... But they are not Entities themselves, they are Physical manifestations of energy that have certain Entities connected to them... It is these that we can 'commune' with... As you just said... "I met a wind spirit at school today..." In your own words you met a wind spirit... Not AIR itself...

Again these are part of my personnel beliefs but these belief's have allowed me to help people in the manner you read about here in this story, I must be doing something right, or at least not be that far off base (😲).

Respectfully,

Rook
bbdeathspark (4 stories) (617 posts)
 
9 years ago (2011-01-07)
I realized how misguided that sounded when I said direct the wind away. I ment, he would only get the neccesary air he needed. No cool air, or massive air blowing against him. Not sure if that;'s better
bbdeathspark (4 stories) (617 posts)
+1
9 years ago (2011-01-07)
Ok, 2 things, first, what I think of this story is, that it's amazing. I'm no good when it comes to describing what people have/wear and those relations, mine are a little bit more... I don't know, grounded?

Anyways, when you said this Rook, it stuck in my mind, and I know why. "'GROUNDED' in what is possible. " Ok, I've looked at this comment for a past hour, and I've wondered why it bothered me, and I found out why with the help of Tiron. It's just that, it annoys me when you say WHAT IS POSSIBLE because MANY of the things people do, isn't deemed possible, and we don't know the limits of our species, as humans.

Also, no one "controls" the elements. Thats offensive as the elements are spirits which won't be controlled, and don't have to allow us to use their element if they don't want us to. I met a wind spirit at school today named Aurroris, She was around my house a couple of times, She was telling me about how this one Jamaican was demanding her to blow the wind, and because of that, wherever he went, she would direct the wind away from the boy, until he learned his lesson. Funny isn't it?
RookDygin (5 stories) (324 posts)
+3
9 years ago (2011-01-07)
bbdeathspark,

We are not trying to discredit the true experiences, far from it. What is being attempted is either to show different points of view, alternate explanations or to keep people 'GROUNDED' in what is possible.

There is a Major difference between the Spirit (Astral) Realm and the Physical Realm. It is possible to do things 'on/in' the Spirit Realm that are not possible in the Physical Realm and most of us 'Nay Sayers' are really trying to point out this fact.

Bottom line is I...I'll type that again I...I...I... Do not feel any one person here in the Physical Realm can control the Weather, Or any of the Elements... Because our physical bodies are limited... Limited in the amount of energy they can 'control/summon/conduct/use' say it however you want to.

Mass efforts (search Mass Consciousness) may just be able to influence things here in/ the Physical Realm but this is many people working together for a common purpose.

I believe zzgranny (and I) wanted to post this as a Psychic Experience as a demonstration of how Psychic gifts can and do work here in the Physical Realm.

So I repeat the question that was put to you...

What do you think of this experience? It is obvious that I'm not the only one who would like to know your opinion on this account. Not only yours, but what does everyone think?

Thank you for your time.

Respectfully,

Rook
DCinAZ (guest)
+1
9 years ago (2011-01-06)
Granny,
I'm so glad that you posted this experience here. While reading through it I was really amazed as each new post revealed how spot on Rook got with his validation points, not to mention how everything continued to transpire with each day that passed.
When Rook does his three points of validation? HANDS DOWN always my favorite part! I'll never tire of those, you couldn't drag me away after that! To be as precise as that, across hundreds of miles? Man, that just makes my day.
And Rook, you are truly a master in every sense of the word. (I bow in your direction)
I'm proud to call you friend.
Granny, I think the saddest part of this for me is the thought of this poor family losing two sons so young and so close in the time of their passings. My heart weeps for their sorrow and loss. 😢 ❤
Thank you for posting this here, Granny. These are the kinds of stories we need more of around here. 😊
moonshine (123 posts)
+1
9 years ago (2011-01-06)
Sparky, now, you have to admit that a lot of accounts (not saying all) on here are pretty far out there. And I think the point is this: too much crap clogs up the potty and turns it into a crapper, which is where this site WAS headed. Just my opinion. 😊

By the way, what is your impression of this account? No, I'm not being sarcastic! ❤ I would really like to hear your opinion.
bbdeathspark (4 stories) (617 posts)
 
9 years ago (2011-01-06)
Ugh, I keep seeing people saying 'Finally what this site needs, some real psychic experiences' that is SO annoying to see... Whats the point of saying that? Basically you are discrediting people's stories which may end up being true, just not in your opinion.
moonshine (123 posts)
+1
9 years ago (2011-01-06)
Granny, I like the format of this post! 😊. This account is right up my alley. Just what this site needs: some REAL psychic experiences 😊
zzsgranny (2 stories) (40 posts)
 
9 years ago (2011-01-06)
Thanks, guys!...

Miracles: Brandon is dealing much better, now that he has confirmation from a different source... We just have to get together a time, or use Rook's suggestion (which, by the way, I find extremely great advice)... 😊

Aussie:I'm so happy to have found everyone in our little Loonie Bin... You all have helped me and our family, on more than one occasion... I agree with all of your points, and I also think Paul wants to let Brandon to know it's not his fault...

Rook: Thanks again, and if there's ANYTHING I can ever do for you, give me a hollar! ❤
Miracles51031 (2 stories) (26 posts)
+1
9 years ago (2011-01-05)
Granny, talk about validation. Wow! I believe our family members come back to welcome us home (as many of our friends believe also). So there's no stretch to believe Paul's little brother came to make that trip with him. How's Brandon doing with this information?

And, Rook, sometimes we all need a "not-by-blood" family member to tell them what we already know. 😉
aussiedaz (2 stories) (37 posts)
+3
9 years ago (2011-01-05)
Wow! Rook was spot on, I am amazed how connected some of the community here and over at ygs are... I agree that for some reason it is important for the departed to say goodbye... I think perhaps to free the spirit... Emotionally they have to find some closure to disconnect from the physical realm and move on... Getting through to your love ones... I believe secures some peace in heart and mind... Good story and heads up to rook.

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